Christopher

This is by far the scariest question I've ever encountered. Why on earth, would you want to place high strength liquid nicotine directly on to your skin. That's like asking how much caffeine you can safely inject into your bloodstream for a "buzz." I'm also not sure why having a mortgage and car payment entitles you to anything other than having a home and a car.

You are exactly the reason why bottled liquid will no longer be available when FDA regulation kicks in. Please, for god sakes, don't pour liquid directly on to your skin. It's a one way ticket to nicotine poisoning.

This is by far the scariest question I've ever encountered. Why on earth, would you want to place high strength liquid nicotine directly on to your skin. That's like asking how much caffeine you can safely inject into your bloodstream for a "buzz." I'm also not sure why having a mortgage and car payment entitles you to anything other than having a home and a car.

You are exactly the reason why bottled liquid will no longer be available when FDA regulation kicks in. Please, for god sakes, don't pour liquid directly on to your skin. It's a one way ticket to nicotine poisoning.

What Chris said.

This is by far the scariest question I've ever encountered. Why on earth, would you want to place high strength liquid nicotine directly on to your skin. That's like asking how much caffeine you can safely inject into your bloodstream for a "buzz." I'm also not sure why having a mortgage and car payment entitles you to anything other than having a home and a car.

You are exactly the reason why bottled liquid will no longer be available when FDA regulation kicks in. Please, for god sakes, don't pour liquid directly on to your skin. It's a one way ticket to nicotine poisoning.

This is by far the scariest question I've ever encountered. Why on earth, would you want to place high strength liquid nicotine directly on to your skin. That's like asking how much caffeine you can safely inject into your bloodstream for a "buzz." I'm also not sure why having a mortgage and car payment entitles you to anything other than having a home and a car.

You are exactly the reason why bottled liquid will no longer be available when FDA regulation kicks in. Please, for god sakes, don't pour liquid directly on to your skin. It's a one way ticket to nicotine poisoning.

That is one of the pitfalls of looking for the cheapest price.All suppliers have to pay the same price for this stuff from pretty much the same wholesalers .To be able to offer lower prices to the consumer they have to leave out something or sell you a knockoff from another manufacturer.The no box kits are just some bulk batteries,atties/cartos and a charger .It is a good way for someone who is already familiar with vaping to get well stocked ,but not so good for a noobie as you found out.As for Janty Joye Janty thinks this stuff up and Joye builds it for them ,they are usually exclusive Janty for about six months and then Joye can can start selling it under the Joye brand.

I do deeply apologize for the delay I've been in and out of meetings all day. You'll be the first person to ever report receiving a corroded item. We are more than happy to accept the items back and once they arrive will issue you a full refund including the cost of postage. Once the kit arrives we'll need to inspect the batteries to ensure they are ours (serial number under caps) and to ensure no other batteries on that lot have any issues. A refund will be issued within 24 hours of the items return to our office.

I just responded to your email a couple of minutes ago and again we are more than happy to issue you a refund. I'm sorry you are not happy with our service or product. If there is anything else we can do to change your mind, don't hesitate to let us know.

I do deeply apologize for the delay I've been in and out of meetings all day. You'll be the first person to ever report receiving a corroded item. We are more than happy to accept the items back and once they arrive will issue you a full refund including the cost of postage. Once the kit arrives we'll need to inspect the batteries to ensure they are ours (serial number under caps) and to ensure no other batteries on that lot have any issues. A refund will be issued within 24 hours of the items return to our office.

I just responded to your email a couple of minutes ago and again we are more than happy to issue you a refund. I'm sorry you are not happy with our service or product. If there is anything else we can do to change your mind, don't hesitate to let us know.

I do deeply apologize for the delay I've been in and out of meetings all day. You'll be the first person to ever report receiving a corroded item. We are more than happy to accept the items back and once they arrive will issue you a full refund including the cost of postage. Once the kit arrives we'll need to inspect the batteries to ensure they are ours (serial number under caps) and to ensure no other batteries on that lot have any issues. A refund will be issued within 24 hours of the items return to our office.

I just responded to your email a couple of minutes ago and again we are more than happy to issue you a refund. I'm sorry you are not happy with our service or product. If there is anything else we can do to change your mind, don't hesitate to let us know.

I do deeply apologize for the delay I've been in and out of meetings all day. You'll be the first person to ever report receiving a corroded item. We are more than happy to accept the items back and once they arrive will issue you a full refund including the cost of postage. Once the kit arrives we'll need to inspect the batteries to ensure they are ours (serial number under caps) and to ensure no other batteries on that lot have any issues. A refund will be issued within 24 hours of the items return to our office.

I just responded to your email a couple of minutes ago and again we are more than happy to issue you a refund. I'm sorry you are not happy with our service or product. If there is anything else we can do to change your mind, don't hesitate to let us know.

I do deeply apologize for the delay I've been in and out of meetings all day. You'll be the first person to ever report receiving a corroded item. We are more than happy to accept the items back and once they arrive will issue you a full refund including the cost of postage. Once the kit arrives we'll need to inspect the batteries to ensure they are ours (serial number under caps) and to ensure no other batteries on that lot have any issues. A refund will be issued within 24 hours of the items return to our office.

I just responded to your email a couple of minutes ago and again we are more than happy to issue you a refund. I'm sorry you are not happy with our service or product. If there is anything else we can do to change your mind, don't hesitate to let us know.

Well thank you for the chocolate lesson. You've been vaping how long and your in the mood to school me this week also? Boy you really love to push the envelope don't you.

And yes, I meant Chocolate chip cookie. If you want to get technical, Chocolate chips are not always a substitute for melted baking chocolate. Chocolate chips are designed to retain their shape (for cookies naturally) when baking, they contain less cocoa butter than typical baking chocolate. So while yes, it is still chocolate, it's normally intended for cookies. Regardless it was a sarcastic comment made towards the FDA and their nanny like attitude.

Your troll like attitude on this topic and various other topics is starting to irritate me. It's taken a lot of work over the years to keep this forum fun, informative and most of all friendly. You where banned from ECF and claimed they where Nazis, if you don't want to see me turn into a Nazi I'd suggest you think before posting your sarcastic unnecessary comments.

And if you even think of hitting the negative button on this post like you love to do with other members (again trolling), I will, happily, ban you.

Well thank you for the chocolate lesson. You've been vaping how long and your in the mood to school me this week also? Boy you really love to push the envelope don't you.

And yes, I meant Chocolate chip cookie. If you want to get technical, Chocolate chips are not always a substitute for melted baking chocolate. Chocolate chips are designed to retain their shape (for cookies naturally) when baking, they contain less cocoa butter than typical baking chocolate. So while yes, it is still chocolate, it's normally intended for cookies. Regardless it was a sarcastic comment made towards the FDA and their nanny like attitude.

Your troll like attitude on this topic and various other topics is starting to irritate me. It's taken a lot of work over the years to keep this forum fun, informative and most of all friendly. You where banned from ECF and claimed they where Nazis, if you don't want to see me turn into a Nazi I'd suggest you think before posting your sarcastic unnecessary comments.

And if you even think of hitting the negative button on this post like you love to do with other members (again trolling), I will, happily, ban you.

Well thank you for the chocolate lesson. You've been vaping how long and your in the mood to school me this week also? Boy you really love to push the envelope don't you.

And yes, I meant Chocolate chip cookie. If you want to get technical, Chocolate chips are not always a substitute for melted baking chocolate. Chocolate chips are designed to retain their shape (for cookies naturally) when baking, they contain less cocoa butter than typical baking chocolate. So while yes, it is still chocolate, it's normally intended for cookies. Regardless it was a sarcastic comment made towards the FDA and their nanny like attitude.

Your troll like attitude on this topic and various other topics is starting to irritate me. It's taken a lot of work over the years to keep this forum fun, informative and most of all friendly. You where banned from ECF and claimed they where Nazis, if you don't want to see me turn into a Nazi I'd suggest you think before posting your sarcastic unnecessary comments.

And if you even think of hitting the negative button on this post like you love to do with other members (again trolling), I will, happily, ban you.

Well thank you for the chocolate lesson. You've been vaping how long and your in the mood to school me this week also? Boy you really love to push the envelope don't you.

And yes, I meant Chocolate chip cookie. If you want to get technical, Chocolate chips are not always a substitute for melted baking chocolate. Chocolate chips are designed to retain their shape (for cookies naturally) when baking, they contain less cocoa butter than typical baking chocolate. So while yes, it is still chocolate, it's normally intended for cookies. Regardless it was a sarcastic comment made towards the FDA and their nanny like attitude.

Your troll like attitude on this topic and various other topics is starting to irritate me. It's taken a lot of work over the years to keep this forum fun, informative and most of all friendly. You where banned from ECF and claimed they where Nazis, if you don't want to see me turn into a Nazi I'd suggest you think before posting your sarcastic unnecessary comments.

And if you even think of hitting the negative button on this post like you love to do with other members (again trolling), I will, happily, ban you.

Well thank you for the chocolate lesson. You've been vaping how long and your in the mood to school me this week also? Boy you really love to push the envelope don't you.

And yes, I meant Chocolate chip cookie. If you want to get technical, Chocolate chips are not always a substitute for melted baking chocolate. Chocolate chips are designed to retain their shape (for cookies naturally) when baking, they contain less cocoa butter than typical baking chocolate. So while yes, it is still chocolate, it's normally intended for cookies. Regardless it was a sarcastic comment made towards the FDA and their nanny like attitude.

Your troll like attitude on this topic and various other topics is starting to irritate me. It's taken a lot of work over the years to keep this forum fun, informative and most of all friendly. You where banned from ECF and claimed they where Nazis, if you don't want to see me turn into a Nazi I'd suggest you think before posting your sarcastic unnecessary comments.

And if you even think of hitting the negative button on this post like you love to do with other members (again trolling), I will, happily, ban you.

Some times they have custom Premium flavors you cannot get elsewhere as in VT liquids ,But in the examples you chose they are the stock Dekang flavors and the lower price suppliers are taking a smaller profit margin and hoping on higher volume.I have ordered from both and it is good qaulity liquid at a very good price.There are a lot of suppliers selling 10ml for $8.00 to $10.00 and that has been the going rate until recently.You just hasta shop around .They are not trying to cheat anyone, in business you have to figure out how much you need to make to pay your staff and overhead and make a little to buy groceries with.Also suppliers who place larger orders would get better pricing but they are also taking the risk of having the goods detained by Customs.

Yes I'm already getting a hold of contacts to verify the legitimacy of this. Keep in mind that even if this is the case, the FDA at some point will probably start using the Substantial Equivalence to regulate e cigarettes. More on this here: http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/ResourcesforYou/ForIndustry/ucm238891.htm

That's the latest in the FDA's hell bent mission to stop e cigarettes.

Wow so a supplier finally admitted it. This type of thing really pisses me off. Especially because the unknowing customer is screwed.

He's basically saying this. "Yes we sell knock offs from another company but it doesn't matter because Chinese law doesn't recognize copyright"

Point #1: It wouldn't be copyright, it would be patent. Copyright protects your published writing material. Not physical hardware.

Point #2: If you can't afford to purchase genuine Joye get out of the business or don't advertise it as Joye. It took us MONTHS to save up to order from Joye Tech. They are the best, the make the best, don't buy fakes and say it doesn't matter. Sell it as a 510 not a Joye 510.

What he's saying is this, I'm going to put Ferrari emblems on a Corvette. But it's ok because there is no trademarks on it. I also know your a dumb customer looking for a Ferrari and will purchase this from me anyway.


Ditch this guy and don't let anyone else buy from him. If your going to start a business do it right. Don't screw new comers with some BS story line. If you can't afford it, sell hot dogs instead. It's not fair to the customer.

While I have yet to try this method, logically it makes sense. I don't clean atomizers anymore but when I did, water was a pain to get out of the atomizer. Even once the atomizer was "dry" it took about 20 minutes before it start working well again. A PG bath would give you an instant working atomizer. After all, it was designed to heat up PG.

My ultimate suggestion though, replace your atomizer every month if affordable. Some suppliers now sell Joye 510 atomizers in bulk @ 5 bucks for 25. I have to stress, if you do clean your atomizer to take caution when using hot objects. One member regrettably already burned herself. The cost in medical bills far outweighs the cost of replacement atomizers.

Wow so a supplier finally admitted it. This type of thing really pisses me off. Especially because the unknowing customer is screwed.

He's basically saying this. "Yes we sell knock offs from another company but it doesn't matter because Chinese law doesn't recognize copyright"

Point #1: It wouldn't be copyright, it would be patent. Copyright protects your published writing material. Not physical hardware.

Point #2: If you can't afford to purchase genuine Joye get out of the business or don't advertise it as Joye. It took us MONTHS to save up to order from Joye Tech. They are the best, the make the best, don't buy fakes and say it doesn't matter. Sell it as a 510 not a Joye 510.

What he's saying is this, I'm going to put Ferrari emblems on a Corvette. But it's ok because there is no trademarks on it. I also know your a dumb customer looking for a Ferrari and will purchase this from me anyway.


Ditch this guy and don't let anyone else buy from him. If your going to start a business do it right. Don't screw new comers with some BS story line. If you can't afford it, sell hot dogs instead. It's not fair to the customer.

We worked non stop Monday to make sure everything was shipped out ASAP. Glad you're all stocked up

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I understood what you meant and I'm sure all American Suppliers appreciate your support