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I work with a girl who's SO became deathly ill "due to vaping". (When I questioned her, she admitted that it was black market THC her SO was vaping EXCLUSIVELY for a week, when she became ill and then CONTINUED TO VAPE THE STUFF!) Some of the other employees were blasting vaping on the spot because of this person's illness. So I posed the question, "ok, if vaping as a whole is responsible, why am I not ill or dead? I've been vaping for nearly 6 years." The room got totally silent. Then I explained, that I KNOW what's in my juice, because I make my own. What they NEED to be upset about is WHAT this person vaped and WHERE they got it, NOT with vaping as a whole. A few of the employees actually apologized, stating, if they had known that there was black market/tainted juice out there and that could have been the cause of the illness, they would have kept their mouths shut. I just reminded them there is always more to every situation than just what you hear/see on the surface, get the facts before you blow off steam.

The latest CDC report 26 dead and 1200 ill. but then they say only 75% confirmed THC. so, what, the other 25% are liars?...... of course, I'm being facetious, I have no doubt that some of the deaths may have involved vapers with pre-existing health issues and were nowhere near THC. but I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are fudged here. I just watched a news interview with a couple who's college age daughter got I'll "by vaping" - 5 minutes of the girl's parents professing the innocence of their sweet little girl and when the interviewer pressed further, "oh well, there was that one time when we caught her vaping THC but we believe her that she is not doing it now"......right..... I don't want it to seem like I have no sympathy for these people who are actually suffering from this. I do. It's a terrible tragedy. But the truth will set us free (get ti the bottom if this). Is that too much to ask?

When Michigan gets 2.1 billion dollars a year from the master tobacco settlement, sin taxes, and of course campaign donations while cigarette smoking is at it's lowest ever, the mystery becomes pretty clear. Add to that that Michigan issued bonds against anticipated master tobacco agreement income, and is, as always hurting for money. I'm not freaking out but I'm madder than a hornet. I've watched numerous "hearings" and they are paid political propaganda. Cherry picked panel members as well as politicians putting on a B rate movie. Hardly a thread of truth in the entire production. One panelist with a prefix Dr. called the U.K. Royal College of Physicians a couple doctors sitting around making unfounded decisions. The FDA is bumbling around obviously incapable of drafting even final guidelines. The CDC is obviously under pressure to support the political stance on vaping. Our president sites pillow talk as his decision to ban flavors. Insane!! Maniacally Insane!!! Mass media jumps in singing the same song. No wonder, every other commercial is from big pharma who has a vested interest in seeing vaping disappear. Tomorrow I have more nicotine and flavor concentrates coming in. Soon I will be set for the rest of my lifetime. In the big picture that does nothing for the countless people who will go back to analogs, the black market that will fill the void, the people who will never have the opportunity to try vaping. These decisions will kill. Good for the government as the average smoker dies 10 years sooner than the non smoker and will not be collecting social security or medicare. Leave it to the government. This time their taking a health crisis that was created by the black market and driving an industry deeper into that black market. And I'm sure the black market will do a better job of checking I.D.'s.

Tam to the rescue! cany and I were about to cut our throats......

The Independent published this article from a doctor. He is saying what we've known and is actually using common sense. I'm an American doctor. Here's the truth about Juul, vaping and legalizing marijuana https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/juul-ban-flavors-vaping-marijuana-legalize-a9161971.html

Haha. I remember that we've had our share of geniuses.

I read another article just today about a high school girl who became very ill after vaping. She at least admitted that she sometimes used THC cartridges... but it was only rarely. I'm with you, @Bebop. I, too, think the numbers are fudged, it's more likely to be something along the lines of 95% vaped THC and 5% were from other previous health issues. My numbers are much more likely, but that's just my opinion.

https://www.leafly.com/news/industry/california-vape-maker-kushy-punch-caught-making-illegal-products California vape maker Kushy Punch caught making illegal products On that note, here's an article about one California vape company that's licensed making and selling unlicensed THC product and pushing it out the back door.

California is much like Michigan in that regard. It's appaling. I'm glad to be leaving. I've been here my whole life and I love the state but it's politics are out of control now and it's entirely too far left for my moderate tastes. I feel a great deal of sympathy for those who may have benefitted from the vaping movement and will now likely struggle. The push to drive it underground will no doubt create tragedies to come. I will help as many others as I can, but geez, the bureaucracy is reactionary and misguided. pisses me off too.

While we're banning things... why are cigarettes and alcohol still legal? Hmmm?

Why are people still vaping THC from carts? This is mind boggling to me. Do they live under a rock? What don’t I understand about this problem?

A judge in NY issued a stay on the ban of flavored juices while an appeal brought by local companies is heard. We still have our flavored juices for now.

According to Google it says that an unopened bottle of VG that's stored somewhere dark and cool can last up to 5 years. Two years for PG in the same conditions.

Right now it depends on where you are and, if this federal ban happens. but here's a snap shot of what is happening locally in Michigan...

You might be right because I feel like one right now

Good to know. I was beginning to wonder...

Talked to an employee at the local Vape shop yesterday (first chance I had to get there since Heir Cuomo banned flavors), I live in Central NY, Rome to be exact. According to what the employee told me Bebop is pretty close to the truth. The employee told me that from what he understands the ban on flavors will be approx. 90 days. When the state will look to see if there is a swing in the purchases of juices and cigarettes, if there is a downturn in juice sales and an upswing in cigs, they may change the ban, or keep it going. This is all hearsay at this point from 1 vape store employee. The way I see it, I have less than a week to stock up on juice and find out if I can still get the ingredients to start making my own. The worst case I guess I can go back to the smelly, expensive guaranteed to kill me analogs. I have gotten down to 1.5mg of nic in my juice, but can't seem to make the last step to zero. Good luck to those that can!

Contrary to popular belief, I have not died yet

Jeeshhhh Tam I would of thought by now you would be making your own drip tips

From CBS news this time: E-cigarette panic is ruining "biggest public health opportunity" in 120 years, scientist says https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaping-deaths-us-blowing-single-biggest-public-health-opportunity-in-120-years-as-debate-e-cigarettes-scientist/ Now, even though still pretty rare, we're starting to see another point of view other than, "OHMYGODVAPINGISGOINGTOKILLEVERYBODY!" As soon as payday rolls around I'll be stock piling my favorite juice. Lord knows I've got enough hardware to outlast a zombie apocalypse and I can build my own coils if needed. Not having enough drip tips will never be an issue, however.

Good for you, Cany there is a lot of bad chit out there. Right now. I still have hope for The future

Bebop, you're probably right ..... the banning has nothing to do with the illnesses, BUT, the illness situation is the driving force behind this round of vape demagoguery. The general public is so under informed about vaping that anything negative about vaping is ammunition. And someone dieing while associated with vaping is a huge piece of ammunition that can and is being used to fuel the ignorant anti-vapers. It's just wrong!!! My feeling is the tobacco and pharma lobbyists are really enjoying this round of hysteria. According to my newspaper this morning, Michigan and New York have already banned flavored vape gear way ahead of any thoughtful Investigation on the matter. I'm still pissed. Had occasion to see a friend yesterday who is a vaper and the conversation eventually turned to the current vape issue. She was "scared to vape" because of the filtered information she was hearing. Like I said, ignorant people making uninformed decisions.

Nice article, but my thoughts are it is a bit light on pointing fingers at what's/who's driving the vape persecution. I smoked 50 years, was introduced to vape and vaped 4+ years till I quit everything about 2 years ago. Even though I'm no longer an active participant in the vape community, this vilification of vapers/ing still has me pretty pissed. I understand the anguish and hurt around the sickness and deaths, but a knee jerk reaction to ban everything is just plain wrong. From everything I've read or heard, the culprit seems to be a new ingredient to the vape scene, a type of vitamin E. Which brings the question ..... how to successfully ban just one ingredient. Instead, the answer seems to just ban everything. That should make tobacco and pharma happy. Stupid!! If I were still vaping I would be stocking up on my fav flavors. Just in case.

Most of the articles I've read were hysteria-driven "OMG! Don't vape! It's dangerous and it'll kill you!!!" types. There were a few that reported "some" of these people vaped THC/CBD oils (added it in to the pod/tank themselves), and bought their liquid on the street. I'm very suspicious that the people who are suffering respiratory distress vaped something more than just normal e-liquid but aren't saying so because they could get into trouble from their parents and/or it's not legal where they live. After over 7 years of vaping my doctor says my lungs sound extremely good, I don't run out of breath like I used to, and I think it would've done something negative before now. Just my two cents.

Best one too me is the one I mix

Custard flavors were my ADV but lately Ive been playing with more tobbaccoy flavors Ive been cloning the juice that got me off cigs two yrs ago. Im happy I can finally clone the juice that started it all for me

Hello, guys, i am quite new to vaping and I'd like to ask you a couple of questions. Yesterday, I bought myself a vape with the following configuration:1) smok tfv12 tank (with preinstalled smok v12-t12 atomizer)2) CigGo Praxis Vapor Banshee 150W TC box mod3) 2x Avatar 2000 mAh 20A 18650 batteriesAs far as I understand, the coil that I use has a low resistance (0.12 Ohm), and therefore i should vape at 120+ watts. I notice that after a few minutes of vaping the tank and the mod become warm. The tank seems to be getting warm due to the heating of the evaporator, but now with the mod itself I had a question. I conducted an independent investigation, and I realized that the batteries were getting warm. I read a few articles and understood that the batteries should not become hot on their own. Tell me please, what could be the problem. Are these batteries bad for this vape or what? Moreover i see that my mod has temperature control. Is is OK to use stainless steel TC mode with my atomizer? Or better just use 120+ watts?