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Very clever and so true...

Very clever and so true...

Very clever and so true...

Very clever and so true...

Very clever and so true...

This is by far the scariest question I've ever encountered. Why on earth, would you want to place high strength liquid nicotine directly on to your skin. That's like asking how much caffeine you can safely inject into your bloodstream for a "buzz." I'm also not sure why having a mortgage and car payment entitles you to anything other than having a home and a car.

You are exactly the reason why bottled liquid will no longer be available when FDA regulation kicks in. Please, for god sakes, don't pour liquid directly on to your skin. It's a one way ticket to nicotine poisoning.

I can't believe a customer has to register at a forum before they can get help in returning the product.

I received the product today and it's all corroded!!!

I don't see anything on the store site that relays how to return the product, no print out return slip, nothing but to register here.

I won't be buying again and I do expect a full refund. Perhaps I should call my credit card company to deny the charge.

Absolutely horrible site, horrible product, horrible service.

I find that the type and mix of juice dictates how often I drip. But your estimate seems about right. I really should keep track. Its more of a feel and slight taste change that I get that tells me when the atty is getting dry.

Welcome to the forum Christina. I am happy that you have an interest in ecigs. But I am not too clear why someone that has never smoked would want to take up smoking or the ecig. If you have no addiction to nicotine, then I suggest that you do not invest in ecigs. If you do choose to continue with this quest I am highly suggesting that you use non nicotine liquids. I am not familiar with the model prosmoke. The 510 is a good model. Good luck and please make your decision very carefully before choosing to start with the ecig.

Hi guys, I made this video , because weve been blessed to have such a great member to the forums who, gives his heart and sole to us in each mod. Mark has Gave close to 100 mods away for free and I wanted to pay my respects to him for this. Thank you Mark for all that you do.

I agree with all the other posters. The eGo offers a ton of options for individualistic preferences. It also has a cone that fits over the atty/cart and helps to warm the eliquid for a notch better vapor and flavor than a regular 510 offers. The cone also acts as a leak catcher. The cone doesn't fit over the mega attys and some other fancy smancy new options, but it's a wonderful gadget to have nonetheless, especially for regular attys and perhaps the LR attys as well.
I would get the XL size eGo batteries... they handle the LR atties better than the regular ego batteries do. You can even get the USB eGo batteries which charge while vaping and vape while unplugged as well, for take and go. It plugs into your computer easily or into a nice portable battery charger or even your car charger doodad. (get a 2 amp one if you buy a car charger thingie).
The eGo batteries will last a good 5-8 hrs between charges. They even have a pcc now for campers or winter storms. (the /USB is like a PassThrough PT)

The regular Joye 510 is a wonderful pv as well. It has a colorful LED light at the end, it's lightweight for an ecig, and you can decorate it with fingernail stickers and whatnot very easily. The batteries will last a good 2 hrs between charges. It makes a great backup kit, or starter kit either one. It used to be first choice starter kit before the eGo came onto the market.

Look on the bright side. When you buy a carton of cigs, you have nothing to show for it except nasty ashtrays and empty packs waiting to be disposed of properly. With an eCig on the other hand, it will cost roughly the same as a carton or two of cigs, yet it will still be there for you months later down the road. You have something to show for your money.
Backups. NANA??? !!!! Where's our backup Lady??? Anyway, if Nana were here, she'd tell you... "Backups!! One can never have enough backups! I have backups for my backups!". and she's so right!! Think about it... would you be caught between paydays without enough cigs? Same here with eCigs. What if your battery dropped and broke or just up and died from the cold or what if your charger quit or your atty pooped? You'll appreciate having a Joye 510 kit at hand even if you decide to try the Joye eGo too.
You're set up for at least 6 months of vaping... and it only cost you 1 month of cigs. (perhaps. I don't know how much you spend, so I can only offer a guestimate). The reality is though, not only will your house, car, and self smell prettier, but so will your pocketbook.

Long story short. Get both!

And here I thought I'd be on the naughty list for sure. Thank you Lord! This truly is a blessing! Christmas miracles exist! I am now a believer in good ol' St. Nick. Btw Chris love the code. FDA sucks indeed!

So...does this mean that tax might need to be implemented on electronic cigarette equipment? I'm cool with it, just wondering. I pay tax on everything else, why not something that truly makes me happy?

You know this is a very good question. I can tell you right now, if the day comes and it just might, I will release every bit of information that I have on electronic cigarettes and e Liquid. That includes contacts to order direct from the factories, overstock sources in China and the most effective shipping methods. This should provide enough stock for everyone to survive for quite a while. But of course it's not the ultimate answer.

Following a drop in supply (if it's banned on a large scale there will be no reason for the factories to produce product) I have no doubt the market will go underground. At the moment people sort of look at the government like Mom and Dad. But what happens when Mom and Dad become abusive drug addicts? You grow up, move out and you say F' em.

While the thought of people mixing their own nicotine makes me shudder, you're all adults. Vapor Talk is a platform for information. If legally or financially we're shut down another site will pop up. And like a weed in a garden for every one you kill 2 more pop up. I've said this before, I create the stage but you put on the show. Ultimately, if the people want something, bad enough, they'll get it. It's the American way. Once the boiler has been lit, there is no telling the amount of power it will produce.

heck, if Wikileaks can continue to operate, I'm pretty sure a bunch of Vapers can congregate with very little issue. Some DIY'ers have mastered e liquid mixing to a science (and of course others...not so much) but regardless the information is shared. I say stop asking, start taking.

With all that said however, I don't see a ban in the immediate future, perhaps heavy regulation but in some way, ecigs are here to stay.


On that note...

Question: If there ever was a ban on e-cigs like we know them now, God forbid. What happens to us that can't make our on mod and don't make our own juice. I wouldn't know where to begin to diy juice, let alone a mod. Now that I have found vaping I don't want to quit. I enjoy it so much For years I didn't enjoy smoking but was addicted to the nicotine. At least I went outside to smoke and now with cold weather I can stay inside and stay warm. Vape anywhere I want!!!

You will have to forgive me because I have a lot of random thoughts and some of them I can't find on the internet so I think from now on I'll come to the forum for help.

So, I got my cousin to start vaping. He actually quit smoking a few years back, but he started chewing. He wanted to quit since my father, who chews, recently started losing teeth. My mother who smokes, also started having jaw problems and has had a few teeth removed already. It's sad, but at least one of my family has made the switch.
My cousin figures that it is probably healthier in the long run than something that is PROVEN to cause health problems. Got him a TW Tornado kit when it was on sale a little while back. He likes to vape to kill the craving, so he vapes 36mg of nic. Got him Parisian Vanilla as his first flavor and he loves it. Oh yeah, and he got a drip tip cause he saw mine and wanted what I had and not something else, so then I had to explain the difference. He ended up getting a Long Drip tip, and I have a shorty (Figured I'd get a couple mega batts while ordering for him, shame on me ).
Sorry I drone on and on, just wanted to share the news!

This is probably one of the best and most interesting posts I've read so far on the forums. I have to say I agree with not only your concerns but your point of view as well. The bottom line is, nicotine is a vice pure and simple much like alcohol and caffeine. The good lord never intend that we ingest these toxins however in one way or another we have been introcuded to nicotine and over the years have become sadly Dependant. Essentially the electronic cigarette is a pacifier (or a dummy if your in the UK) for adults, it is what we use to help overcome the every day stress called life. I find it to also be a great past time. It's extremely relaxing.

That all aside I can't agree more that safety is our number once concern. It is for many suppliers, at least the good ones anyway. Why do you think Vapor Talk was one of the first liquid suppliers in the United States to add child proof caps? Because there is a very real threat of a child getting a hold of something that looks like apple juice and smells like a grape. Unfortunately there are some real "winner" parents out there and we as suppliers have to protect their children. You said you where concerned that a child may some day get a hold of juice and drink a bottle, guess what, it's already happened. (Yes you heard correct) I won't say where and what supplier was involved because it's not needed but it's happened. As far as we know, the child is fine. Luckily.

Truth be told liquid bottles in loose form will cease to exist should electronic cigarettes stay on the market for the long run. Everyone will end up using cartomizers. 2 piece units. Why? Because it's a way to not only control the nicotine levels, but it's sealed thus preventing the cotton from falling out, which of course could be eaten by a dog, cat or child.

Quality control is another major issue that is being worked on continuously. Is PG safe to vape? Let's be honest with ourselves we are on the front line of this new invention, although PG is general recognized as safe by the FDA and is used in many products such as baby wipes, vitamins etc it's never been tested in long term vapor form inhaled by humans. Granted there was a study done on monkeys for over a year, which concluded positive effects, but we really don't know the VERY long term effects. Essentially only time will tell. The general common sense assumption is, traditional tobacco is so bad that you could probably smoke tea leaves and still be better off than smoking tobacco leaves.

I think overall this product is a real step forward in helping dependent cigarette users leave traditional tobacco. Leaving nicotine however is not the ecigs best trait. The original designer of the electronic cigarette (who was inspired after his father died of lung cancer) wanted people to quite smoking with the ecig, however the units worked SO well that people instead, just replaced the delivery form. He never intended persons to use PG over a long period of time. Right now it's up to the user to have the self control to step down. Lucky this is happening more and more often, in fact ex smokers now known as vapers are starting to become more health conscious than they ever where before.

We are still in the early phases and so long as we can get the support of government agencys and watch groups we can perfect the electronic cigarette into a true NRT. Something it isn't now. Many people on the board state "I don't want to stop vaping" to me that's the nicotine talking. I think if we could make it as easy to quite as it already is to switch delivery, we could really see some massive health improvements in society. Something I one day hope we altogether can witness.


Anyway I'm getting off course here, awesome post and some very valid points.

Hello to all you vapers out there....

I'm a nurse who has been smoking for WAY too long. And for quite some time now I've been looking to quit smoking. It's gonna kill me if I don't.
But I have to admit that nothin' beats a smoke after a stressful day at work. And a cigarette would sure come in handy during a long, boring flight or a road trip.

Like a number of people here, I've tried several different ways to quit, and found one thing in common with all of the most popular quiting aides on the market today. The patch, the gum, inhalers, and Chantix are all forms of "nicotine replacement therapy". Doctors, pharmacuetical companies, and even the FDA agree that the best way to quit the smoking habit is to breifly replace our means of consuming nicotine, and then slowly reduce our dependency until we have effectly weaned our bodies from it. These different forms of "nicotine replacement" are much safer for us than smoking tobacco. The patch is a transdermal system of delivering nicotine through the skin. The gum is a way of comsuming nicotine orally. And although Chantix does not contain nicotine, it does contain chemicals that affect our brains in the same way in oder to trick the brain into thinking that its still getting nicotine.

The FDA is focused on stopping the terrible effects of tobacco use in our country. And the organization is determined to do whatever it takes to stop the deadly spread of it's use among our young people, as well. Thats a good thing! I'm glad that they are concerned for the safety and health of our population. For decades, the FDA has regulated manufactures and industries in order to keep us safe. I would hate to think of where we would be without the FDA. I certainly don't want my new grand child growing up to use tobacco.

The question is, do we really need another "nicotine replacement therapy"? Aren't the products on the american market today enough? Why should we endorse another means of nicotine addiction? That is what I think the FDA is trying to say to vapers. By using this product, that hasn't been studied by the FDA, are we improving our health? Or are we causing more problems for ourselves? Is it helping us to quit using tobacco? Or are we just switching our means of consumption? And by using these products, are we saying to our young people that smoking is finally safe? Will these products cause our young people to one day use tobacco in order to consume nicotine?

Let us look at the quit smoking aides we have in place right now that are approved by the FDA. These therapys have all been tested in laboratories over several years. They have all been proven to help the smoker control his/her cravings for nicotine in the hopes that the individual's willpower can keep them from using tobacco. All of these therapys have a way of delivering a safe amout of nicotine without the possiblity of overdose, if taken as prescribed. These therapys, while effectively controling nicotine addiction, have not addressed the other habit forming behaviors of smoking tobacco. They do not do anything for the feeling I get while driving to work. The behavioral need I have to do something with my hands. Almost every person who smokes will testify that there is a certain ceremony involved with smoking tobacco. A calming and relaxing feeling that acompanys the act of smoking. Tests show that smokers tend to have a higher level of concentration while smoking. And the act also has the ability to divert our attention in times of stress. I know that nothing calms me down better than a smoke break during stressful days at work. Some people might say that it's the nicotine that you need to calm your nerves, but I don't hear too many people say, "Man, I could really use some gum right now". There are also reports done by the army that show that cigarettes played a crucial part in WWII and other wars. Many a soldier who didn't smoke before combat came home with a pack of fags in his pocket. Yes, these are all examples of the feeling we get from using nicotine, but those behaviors become ingrained in us over years of smoking and are very difficult to change, even with the use of "NRTs".

After reviewing dozens of personal profiles in this forum, I have noticed one common connection between us all. 100% of the profiles I've looked at claim to be ex-smokers. Very few of us are still using tobacco, and those of us who are, are doing so much less than we used to. Vaping is continuously proving to me to be one of, if not the most effective "nicotine replacement therapys" introduced so far. Certainly the most attractive, anyway. I believe that we are on the precipus of something truly revolutionary. Our actions and our endorsment of this product could save millions of lives. It may very well be bigger than any other human rights issue to date. And I am very excited about it. But it also scares me a little. What we do and how we respond to critisism may effect future generations of americans for years to come.

I understand that the following statements my cause concern for some of our forum citizens and for many of our suppliers of this product, but I can't help but think of how beneficial this product is for quiting tobacco. And, as a responsible person, who cares about the health and safety of our communities, and our children's future, I believe that vaping should be focused on quiting not only the terrible habit of smoking tobacco, but also the weaning of nicotine dependency and the use of any nicotine products all together. The reason you choose to vape is your own. I'm not here to tell anyone that what they're doing is wrong. I believe that if you choose to vape for the rest of your life it would be a HUGE improvement to your health when compaired to tobacco products. But I also feel that nicotine is bad too. And should be considered harmful.

That being said, I feel that vaping is most likely the greatest way to stop the abuse of tobacco. I haven't heard a single report of someone claiming that vaping has caused them more harm than good, to say nothing of the effects of second-hand smoke. I have searched the web and can't find a single instance of any negative affects from vaping. The only concern than I can find, or think of, in reference to any harm caused by vaping is that of the liquid we use to refill our ecigs. Most of the liquid out there contains nicotine. Nicotine is a toxin and a stimulant. It is classified as an alkaloid. It was used as an insecticide, but because it is also extremely poisonous to man and animal in concetrated doses, it was stopped being used in this manner. Who stopped it's use as an insecticide? The FDA. These nicotine liquids can be extremely harmful if taken in large quantities. My greatest fear is that we will soon hear about a toddler who drank eliquid and died from it. Such an instance could cause this movement of ours to be outlawed.

I believe that these eliquids are what the FDA will focus it's attention on, if they haven't already. What manufactures are putting in this liquid is what will become the focus of attention. What is the nicotine content of this liquid and how do the manufactures guard against harmful ingredients? How is it being labeled? Is it being packaged in child-proof containers? These issues I think will cause our vaping communities the most greif as the popularity of this product grows. It's not the 4' tall glass water bong thats so illegal. It's what we put in it. If we encourage our suppliers to step up and help solve some of these potential problems, than we can show the FDA, and the world, that we, as concerned consumers, are not only advocates for vaping, but also aware of it's risks. The auto industry invented the seatbelt for use in cars because we, as consumers, demanded it! And our government listened, eventually making seatbelts and other safety features a requirement. There is nothing wrong with our government making safety requirements nessesary for these products, as well. I just pray that the FDA recognizes the potential this product has in saving lives, too.

I live in Milwaukee and the smoking ban is what keeps me from going to bars...especially in winter. It sucks because I know the owners of this one bar and they smoke themselves. It just sucks. In summer it wasn't so bad to go outside, but now with winter, forget it.

Milwaukee does need more exposure to E-cigs. Since getting my Ego earlier this week, I have been analog free. I love it! I already feel better. I don't reek of smoke and it satisfies my cravings for a smoke. I just don't see how a product that is found in most stuff we use in our daily lives is bad if it's used in an E-cig. There is a chemical in Deodorant that has been found in tumors in breast cancer, but yet they don't pull it off the market. Then, Don't even get me started with the fact that analog cigs are horrible for you and yet they continue to sell them, but figure its ok because they tax the heck out of them! They figure people will quit that way because of the cost. Yeah right, they know how addicted we are and a lot of people are going broke from their habit while making the government richer.

I love e-cigs and even if it may not be 100% healthy for me, it's a Heck of a lot better then smoking analogs! No one can convince me otherwise. I would be outraged if they banned E-cigs. They just seriously need to look into E-cigs a little closer and start to do trials and actually test them out. Not just on two brands, but several! Tests the juices...whatever needs to be done, but I'm almost 100% sure they would find it is much better then smoking analogs!

As for marketing them for non-smokers or kids, yeah right. I grew up with Camel ads and cig ads everywhere. Is that what made me smoke to begin with? Heck no!
Plus, Smoking is a choice, you either do it or you don't. Once you are over 18 that is your choice. Plus 18, makes you an adult. Of course if I had to do it over again, I would have never started. But at least now, I'm not hacking in the middle of the night and my taste is returning.

I agree with all the posters here. Liquid cannot be resold. Flavors can change and/or your tastes change. Adding some additional menthol may be the trick. You could also add some menthol or other flavoring (in very small increments) to your other liquids .. OR you could pass them in a PIF (pay it forward) fashion, barter or sell.

There are so many options when it comes to vaping that it's very much about experimenting. Never buy large amounts of anything unless you've tried it before, including hardware. That's not to say the product isn't any good, but it may not be right for you. It can be frustrating from time to time but remember this .. you're not smoking anymore, or at least you've cut back and THAT is almost a miracle. Whatever little bits you spend sampling flavors you don't like will more than be made up for, monetarily and otherwise, when you do find what you do like and what works best for you. Ultimately it's a win/win situation but with hurdles along the way. Anything worth having is worth the effort, is it not? So if ever you have questions, concerns or anything else you need help with please don't hesitate to post. We're all here to help one another not only make the transition but to continue to be successful.

I'd like to add that this site has the best group of people dedicated to one another that I've had the pleasure of participating in, benefiting from and contributing to.

Good luck!

Dude...your concern is so touching...thank you...I feel now however that I need more...........no...so much more....I'm sorry...please bear with me.....I feel so....despondent...NO..more than that. My friend, you are reading the post of a man who is teetering on the edge. One edge leads down..down..down to self pity..the "why me god..except for that short period from 1976 to 1988, I've been pretty good" slope. The other edge is so...dark. So dark that even I.. even I, the man that lived...and survived that that dark and scary 14 year blurry history can hardly stand to think of what I may be capable of at this moment.(side note...I just shivered..Did you feel that?) Alas my friend...the mailbox was...EMPTY. I know. I was stupified. I could not believe it. How...HOW could this be happening. I...I...I'm not proud of this, but I decided to find solace at the bottem of a bottle tonite. I decided that since the gods (and by "gods" I mean the usps) had decided to do this to me, I would do the only thing a mere mortal could do......I WOULD HAVE A GOOD STIFF DRINK OR 2.

Don't know about you but I think the creative writing classes are really paying off. $499.99 seemed like a lot till I go back and read that and I'm like...WOW..I wrote that? My wife pretends to be put out by me, but bless her heart....she is one lucky lady.

Just happened to hit the mailbox at the same time as the mail person. Stood there very patiently, gave her a curt nod and a smile...all the while waiting and hoping that she would pull out a priority package and stick it in the communal "big bin". Don't know how many of you are familiar with the communal mail box, but it is one big box, usually located very far away from where YOU live and in the most inconvenient location that can be found in a subdivision. The actual bins are slightly larger than a pack of gum...so if you recieve a large package it goes into the big bin. She didn't pull out a priority package and put it in the bin. Now I still smiled as she pulled away...but in my mind I was doing terrible...very horrid things to this lady. I know...not her fault(or is it?) but horrid things nonetheless.

A couple of stiff bourbons on the rocks and I feel now that I might make it. But I need to give y'all a big heads up. My hawkeyes are playing ohio st.tomorrow....at home....But I'm not feeling it. So tomorrow if my Hawks lose.....and the usps gods diss me again....you very well may turn on your t.v. and hear "BREAKING NEWS OUT OF OMAHA..A SEMI NAKED MAN...YELLING EGO...EGO....EGO, LEGGO MY EGO" that will be your cue to start a bail/public defender fund. I'm not proud of what I have become this week....and I'm even less proud that I hung it out here on this public line......but somewhere deep in my tar saturated heart....I know that you understand'

Thank you for letting me vent


GO HAWKS

My dog is quite good. I never had any problems with chewing or destroying anything, even as a puppy. She still has stuffed toys from puppy hood that look used but not beaten. Now my brother's dog is another story, he chewed a hole in my carpet. My dog is pretty good in the tub. But getting her in the tub is a different story. I have to drag her out from under the table and then she slinks with her head hung really low. Makes me feel really guilty.

Now I am not exempt from pet destruction. I have a 2 year old cat that will destroy anything that will shred. She destroys papers, books, toilet paper, paper towels and plastic grocery bags. She will even chew holes in the dog food bag. God forbid if I leave the garbage container out. The only saving grace is that she has not taken to destruction of my furniture yet. She really likes the big scratching post for that one. I am holding my breath on the no furniture thing, I am just waiting for the day I really make her mad and she takes it out on the couch in retribution. That will be a sad day.

Edit - I should also add that this crazy cat climbs up on a two story condo building and cries at the top of her lungs. I can't explain the number of times I had to explain to neighbors that she is not trapped and only does it to annoy me.

If you look at the bottom of the carto (the thread end) there is a little notch out that you can turn with a paper clip or with a little screwdriver, some that are DOA need to be turned a bit so that it makes a connection with the battery and the other thing is if they are hard to draw or too hard to draw this can be adjusted. If I remember correctly you turn to the left a bit for easier draw and to the right for a harder draw.
HTH

Welcome. Glad you are with us.

The choice of strength of Nicotine (mg/ml) isn't always about how much you smoke. It's a great place to start but it may change. My brother-in-law is a chainsmoker of unfiltered something-or-others that are supposed to be really strong. He tried some 36 mg (Ultra High) that I have and he almost passed out from the head-rush. That's why some of the more experienced people in this forum recommend that you get a variety of strengths. Purchasing a variety of strengths is the easiest way to determine what works for you. ( I have heard that some use higher strength in the AM and lower in the afternoon or for a casual vape.) Personally, I use zero nicotine now.

Another alternative is to get the high nicotine and if it's too strong, cut it with Vegetable Glycerin (VG). You can buy Vegetable Glycerin at a drug store or vitamin store (even WalMart) in the lotions/cosmetics department. If you cut it, the strength is directly proportional to the % you cut it. So if you have 10 mls (quantity) of 24 mg (nicotine strength) and you add 10 mls of VG to it, you'll have 20 mls of a 12 mg mixture. Warning.. it will dilute the flavor. But at least you don't throw away eliquid.

At first, I would recommned just purchasing a few different strengths.

Either way, You will find a balance of strength and frequency of vaping that may not exactly coincide with your smoking habits.

If you decide to try cutting your liquid, you may want to pick up an empty bottle with an eye dropper at the drug store when you buy the VG. I've had the pharmacist give them to me for free.

I'll put in my plug for this forum's VaporTalkStore.com. They have amazing flavors. Their Mentha is great and can be added to other flavors to give it a little coolness. I've used their Mentha, Dulcis, Midnight and Grape. All very good. I'm partial to the Mentha and Midnight.

Just ordered the joye eGo from pure smoker.com for 50 dollars, and had a few questions about what it comes with and what I should buy additionally. Basically these are the package contents :
2 x Joye eGo Batteries (Color Choices:  Satin Black, Stainless Steel, Red, & Blue)
2 x Joye eGo Atomizer Cones (Matching the color choice you picked for you batteries)
2 x Joye Atomizers (Black Atomizer = Standard Resistance, Stainless Steel Atomizer = Low Resistance)
1 x Turbo USB Charger
1 x Wall Adapter for USB Charger
1 x Joye eGo Pouch
1 x Joye eGo Manual
1 x TONIC eLiquid Sample (Flavor & Strength Picked at random)

So my question is this, it comes with two atomizers, are these the 2ml atomizers I saw in the good prophet kalojado youtube video review? Do these work essentially the same as the 2 ml cartomizers or do i have to refill these atomizers comstantly? Also from doing a little reading, it seems like i would be more suited to use cartomizers. Apparently with these you fill it up and it can last about a full day right? (I smoke a pack a day right now). I basically want to be able to fill this thing in the morning, and be good to go for the day without having to refill throughout the day and add drips of juice while I'm vamping. If one carto wasn't enough for a day, i could always fill 2 and just carry around an extra carto with me. I just ordered this kit last night and Am wondering if i should just order a 5 pack of the cartos right now too. Also I ordered 3 bottles of the TONIC brand juice at 6ml per bottle, from what I'm reading this will probably only last 9-10 days at 2ml per day using the carto method, so I'll probably go ahead and order some more juice along with the cartos because i certainly don't want to run out.

Thanks for your help :] happy vaping.

The atomizers you are getting is one standard Joye atomizer and one LR atomizer. The standard atomizer when dripping, 2-3 drops, lasts about 6-7 draws. You will notice vapor drop off when it starts to run dry, this will indicate to add a few more drops. The LR will simulate vaping at a higher voltage. I do not have or used any LR atomizers. But from what I understand they will require more liquid than the standard atomizer. The LR's tend to run hotter.

The cones are not only for aesthetics but they also will make the draw a bit tighter. It will reduce the air flow. You can use the Ego with or without the cone.

A cartomizer will not last a whole day on one fill. At least I haven't been able to get it to last that long. It will depend on how much you vape. If you chain vape you will fill it a few times during the day. I never really kept track how much I fill a cartomizer. I switch between cartomizers and direct dripping all day. The carts that will come with your atomizers will not last as long as the cartomizers. You will find yourself topping off more using the standard carts. Carrying 2 cartomizers during the day is not a bad idea. It will let you change up flavors too.

You can never have enough juice. Order away! Good luck!