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The Court of Appeals dissolved its March 31st stay of Judge Leon's injunction. In English, Judge Leon (District Court) issued a preliminary injunction against the FDA, telling it that it could no longer seize NJOY and SE's shipments while the case was being heard.

The FDA appealed Judge Leon's grant of the preliminary injunction to the Court of Appeals. The Court of Appeals said that until it actually had time to fully consider the issues, Judge Leon's injunction would be stayed (put on hold).

The Court of Appeals has now dissolved that stay, effectively making Judge Leon's preliminary injunction once again in full force and effect.

While this is directed at NJOY, this should in effect, potentially stop the FDA for seizing products at the border.

Thanks Jeff!...Everyone that tries my Ego are kinda like .....then they are kinda like .......then they are kinda like "where can I get one?"....then, Im kinda like "Let me tell you something...VaporTalk"

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-evidence-e-cigs-safer-cigarettes.html

No, a drip tip isn't absolutely necessary for dripping to vape. You can take off the empty cartridge and drip onto the atomizer that way. A drip tip basically just allows you to not have to remove the mouthpiece and dripping down into it will allow the liquid to go right onto the atomizer without having to remove anything because it is just a mouthpiece with a big hole in it. Easy peasy.

Why do we need these to be regulated? So what if they're inconsistent. Then don't buy pre-filled cartridges or cartos. Even if you do, I'm sure Nicotine could kill you in a high enough dose, but long before you get to that point, you'd feel a headache, and if you're too dumb to stop vaping for a while at that point, then you would have done something equally dangerous and stupid eventually anyway. You can't blame an inanimate object for a mistake made by a human being; that's just ridiculous.

I'm all for no sales to minors(for the most part), but I don't want any regulations beyond that, with the exception of maybe some sort of quality standards in terms of cleanliness and accuracy of advertised ingredients/required listing of ingredients. The problem, though, that I see with regulating anything beyond no sales to minors is this: It would seem to be a rather large pain in the butt to try and go to every juice maker's place of making said juice to make sure they're doing things "right." My guess is they'll probably require some sort of license, or they'll make it so that only the government or tobacco companies/pharmaceutical companies can make the juice. One way or another, they're gonna try to make this more expensive and give us more hoops to jump thru. I don't want people poisoning each other with bad juice, but I don't want the other extreme either. Some sort of happy medium would be nice, but I figure what we'll get will lie somewhere nearer the latter extreme.

I want to clarify something here. As I said, I'm all for not selling e-cigs or juice to minors, for the most part... What I mean by "for the most part" is this: I don't want kids getting addicted to nicotine because of electronic cigarettes, but at the same time, if they're already addicted to analog cigarettes, then I would MUCH rather have them use these instead. And in all honesty, I don't see it as such a big deal if they DO get hooked on nicotine via e-cigs and never touch analogs. That would be much better than smoking the analogs first, right? I don't really see the big deal with it, but I know sales will have to be restricted to adults only, just like analogs. That's okay with me. I just don't want them taking away my flavors or tainting juice to bring the industry down. The FDA contains a lot of crooked people more concerned about money than health.

I agree with all the other posters. The eGo offers a ton of options for individualistic preferences. It also has a cone that fits over the atty/cart and helps to warm the eliquid for a notch better vapor and flavor than a regular 510 offers. The cone also acts as a leak catcher. The cone doesn't fit over the mega attys and some other fancy smancy new options, but it's a wonderful gadget to have nonetheless, especially for regular attys and perhaps the LR attys as well.
I would get the XL size eGo batteries... they handle the LR atties better than the regular ego batteries do. You can even get the USB eGo batteries which charge while vaping and vape while unplugged as well, for take and go. It plugs into your computer easily or into a nice portable battery charger or even your car charger doodad. (get a 2 amp one if you buy a car charger thingie).
The eGo batteries will last a good 5-8 hrs between charges. They even have a pcc now for campers or winter storms. (the /USB is like a PassThrough PT)

The regular Joye 510 is a wonderful pv as well. It has a colorful LED light at the end, it's lightweight for an ecig, and you can decorate it with fingernail stickers and whatnot very easily. The batteries will last a good 2 hrs between charges. It makes a great backup kit, or starter kit either one. It used to be first choice starter kit before the eGo came onto the market.

Look on the bright side. When you buy a carton of cigs, you have nothing to show for it except nasty ashtrays and empty packs waiting to be disposed of properly. With an eCig on the other hand, it will cost roughly the same as a carton or two of cigs, yet it will still be there for you months later down the road. You have something to show for your money.
Backups. NANA??? !!!! Where's our backup Lady??? Anyway, if Nana were here, she'd tell you... "Backups!! One can never have enough backups! I have backups for my backups!". and she's so right!! Think about it... would you be caught between paydays without enough cigs? Same here with eCigs. What if your battery dropped and broke or just up and died from the cold or what if your charger quit or your atty pooped? You'll appreciate having a Joye 510 kit at hand even if you decide to try the Joye eGo too.
You're set up for at least 6 months of vaping... and it only cost you 1 month of cigs. (perhaps. I don't know how much you spend, so I can only offer a guestimate). The reality is though, not only will your house, car, and self smell prettier, but so will your pocketbook.

Long story short. Get both!

I did that at first. Now I just buy all of the flavors I want to try in 5 ml bottles then make orders of 60ml for the ones I like out of the trials. 5ml bottles at madvapes are $2 so I just buy all of the flavors and pick the goodies.

Posted my first review on youtube to show off my beautiful Mark Mod. Lemme know what you think!!!!! Enjoy

You know this is a very good question. I can tell you right now, if the day comes and it just might, I will release every bit of information that I have on electronic cigarettes and e Liquid. That includes contacts to order direct from the factories, overstock sources in China and the most effective shipping methods. This should provide enough stock for everyone to survive for quite a while. But of course it's not the ultimate answer.

Following a drop in supply (if it's banned on a large scale there will be no reason for the factories to produce product) I have no doubt the market will go underground. At the moment people sort of look at the government like Mom and Dad. But what happens when Mom and Dad become abusive drug addicts? You grow up, move out and you say F' em.

While the thought of people mixing their own nicotine makes me shudder, you're all adults. Vapor Talk is a platform for information. If legally or financially we're shut down another site will pop up. And like a weed in a garden for every one you kill 2 more pop up. I've said this before, I create the stage but you put on the show. Ultimately, if the people want something, bad enough, they'll get it. It's the American way. Once the boiler has been lit, there is no telling the amount of power it will produce.

heck, if Wikileaks can continue to operate, I'm pretty sure a bunch of Vapers can congregate with very little issue. Some DIY'ers have mastered e liquid mixing to a science (and of course others...not so much) but regardless the information is shared. I say stop asking, start taking.

With all that said however, I don't see a ban in the immediate future, perhaps heavy regulation but in some way, ecigs are here to stay.


On that note...

Tip: While pricing the individual stores, be sure to read the description of what comes in the kit. Sometimes they include eLiquid or extra atomizers, etc. Sometimes 10 bucks more will get you the basic kit plus 30ml's of eLiquid or whatever.. and some places might have the kit inside an eGo zipper case instead of the mfg box.. (the case is anywhere from 8-20 bucks and avg 12)

Just remembered the Riva kits. They're an eGo clone, but they're darn good at it, and are reportedly a great subsitute for the eGo on a budget. They vary from 29-49. Liberty Flights had them for 29 not too long ago and everytime they restock they're that price. Oh and I heard that myfreedomsmokes has the Pink eGo kits on sale in the 40's (49?)

http://electroniccigarettespot.com/ecigarette-blog/chantix-is-safer-than-electronic-cigarettes

Ron Paul made some really valid points. I have not traveled by air in a very long while. I don't mind having to go through the detectors, remove my shoes or be double checked by a wand. I do feel the government is really over stepping with the x-ray and pat down securities measures. The pilots have guns, the doors are locked and air marshals are on most flights now. They should be stepping up on the ground security. That is one thing I think they have neglected. They should be more thorough with whom is on the ground loading the planes and what exactly is going in the cargo hold. That should have happened years ago when the plane exploded over Lockerbie in Scotland.

One suggestion is to stick a paperclip all of the way through, wiggle around, and make sure the hole is nice a free for air. Sometimes people think they are junk when really they just need to be "adjusted" for max airflow.... or the juice/filler will burn right away.

If you look at the bottom of the carto (the thread end) there is a little notch out that you can turn with a paper clip or with a little screwdriver, some that are DOA need to be turned a bit so that it makes a connection with the battery and the other thing is if they are hard to draw or too hard to draw this can be adjusted. If I remember correctly you turn to the left a bit for easier draw and to the right for a harder draw.
HTH

Way sweet!!! Nothing worse than seeing a nic fit nurse coming at you with a needle or enema eh. Now if we could just get the hospital interested enough to do free tests on the before, during and after smoking/vaping. This is so cool, I'm really happy for them for discovering a great alternative. They're lucky they have such an opened minded and caring person such as yourself to share the alternative method with them.

Dusty's story, how eCigs ruined his career.

Way sweet!!! Nothing worse than seeing a nic fit nurse coming at you with a needle or enema eh. Now if we could just get the hospital interested enough to do free tests on the before, during and after smoking/vaping. This is so cool, I'm really happy for them for discovering a great alternative. They're lucky they have such an opened minded and caring person such as yourself to share the alternative method with them.

I'm a home health nurse,I tell all my smoking patients about it,even carry a few empty carts around so they can give it a try if the want to,I've had several patients buy units.
today my boss caled me and asked me to do a visit on another nurse's patient just so I could teach that patient about vaping! It suprised me to see that the boss approved of me telling the patients about this(she always gives me funny looks when I vape in the office)
I think that the health care industry as a whole needs to learn about and encourage this "healthier alternative to smoking"

Hopefully Last but not least......



Supplies:
1.Empty dropper bottles- 3ml, 5ml, 10ml sizes are great for mixing.
2. Pipette or syringe with blunt needle. Personally, I prefer using a syringe for mixing--More accurate.
3. paper towel or rag for handling any spills or messes
4. Labels are good for identifying your new mixes. If using paper labels I have found that applying scotch tape over the

label keeps the label legible.
5. mixing calculator helps with acheiving the correct nicotine strength. There are other calculators out there, but I

like Todd Muellers: http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php . I usually put my flavor at 30 - 40%. I like lots of

flavor.

Mixing -can be simple (combining premixed liquids to create a new flavor) or more complicated, mixing from scratch. Or

somewhere in between.

1. Always start your mixing or experimentation with small amounts. Its much easier to throw out a small amount of liquid

if it turns out bad. The 3ml bottles are great for experimenting.
2. Its a good idea to keep track of what and how much you have added to your mix--just in case you want to make more.

**It is easy enough to mix 2 or more premixed liquids together to get a new flavor. This is easiest if you are using the

same nicotine strength.
i.e.- Tobacco 18mg/Watermelon 18mg/menthol 18mg/pina colada 18mg. The amounts would depend on taste.
Start with 5 drops of each in a 3ml bottle, shake and vape--can adjust the flavor as you want by adding more of one of

the flavors.
with the menthol--using just 1-2 drops/3ml will give a nice cool throat hit without tasting like menthol.

** Can use PG/VG or both to cut a higher strength liquid. i.e.- 24mg premixed liquid 1ml can be mixed with 1ml PG or VG

to make 12mg/ml liquid. If cutting a premixed flavor, keep in mind, it will also decrease the flavor. If you don’t want

the flavor loss you can cut with 0 nicotine strength in the same or a different flavor. You can also use flavorings to

boost the flavor. use the calculator to determine how much PG/VG to use to achieve the desired strength. Just put 0 in

the water and flavor boxes.

** Adding Flavoring to premixed liquids
This is actually one of the easiest forms of mixing and is a great place to start the DIY journey. We all have flavors

we don’t really care for, but by adding flavoring you can create a flavor you like.

Keep in mind--when adding flavoring it will dilute the nicotine strength of the premixed liquid. one way around this is

to get some unflavored higher nicotine liquid- i.e. 36mg that can be added to your mix to keep the nicotine strength at

your desired level.

My preferred nicotine level is 12mg/ml--so I will use that dose for mixing examples.

i.e.-- cappuccino 36mg/ml, 1.7ml + FlavourArt apple pie flavoring 1.5ml + VG 1.8ml for a total of 5ml 12mg/ml.
This is where the calculator comes in handy. Just put in the numbers, hit enter and the calculations are done for you.

This is where having a syringe is helpful.
However if you are using drops, I have found that 30 drops of PG = 1ml and 20 drops of VG = 1ml.
You can use more than one flavoring: cappuccino 1.7ml + apple pie flavoring 1ml + Vanilla 1ml + VG 1.3 ml = 5ml 12mg/ml

Don’t be afraid to mix more than one flavor. When cooking, most dishes require more than one flavor to get the right

taste.

** mixing from scratch
You will need PG and/or VG
Unflavored Nicotine liquid ( I usually use 36mg/ml)
Flavorings of choice

i.e. Easy
Watermelon 12mg/ml
3 ml PG or VG
1 ml Lorann Watermelon flavoring
2 drops Menthol flavoring (Flavourart)
2 ml 36mg/ml Unflavored liquid

i.e. using multiple flavors:

Apple Pie (6ml) 18mg/ml

3 ml 36/mg unflavored
1 ml FlavourArt(FA) Apple Pie
6 drops (Flavourart) Irish Cream
2 drops (FA) perique black (tobacco)
3 drops (FA) menthol
.5ml PG
.5ml VG
3 drops hazelnut
6 drops vanilla


** Misc Notes
Tobacco Flavorings are very, very strong--a little goes a very long way. A couple drops to 5ml will give a nice

background flavor. If using more, add a drop or 2 at a time to taste.

Lorann flavorings are very concentrated. You would use less Lorann than you would with other flavorings.

Avoid flavorings with oils or sugars--both can damage your atomizer.

If you find your mix needs to be sweeter there are a couple of options:
1. Loranns cotton candy or Marshmallow flavorings are great for adding sweetness.
2. DIY flavor shack carrys Eythol Malto which is a sweetener.
3. I actually prefer the Lorann--overall sweeter tasting.
4. I add a few drops of Menthol to all my mixes-adds a cool throat hit and enhances the flavor. Just a little does not

taste like menthol. If you like menthol, just add more.
5. always start mixing with small amounts and keep track of what and how much.
6. For taste testing--dripping works best.

Mixing is a lot of trial and error in the beginning.
Add flavoring a little at a time until you find the balance you like will help keep waste to a minimum.

I am hoping others will be able to add their tips and ideas. the above is just my own opinion and my own experience.

If all or part of this is confusing please let me know-writing documents is not my strong suit !!!!

Merry Mixing

DIY Tips and Info

I know this is a lot of information, but I hope it helps those looking at trying their hand at DIY. Keep in mind, This is just my own experience.

PG- Propylene Glycol : It is a colorless, nearly odorless, clear, viscous liquid with a faintly sweet taste,
http://en.wikipedia....ropylene_glycol
VG-Vegetable Glycerin(Glycerol): In foods and beverages, glycerol serves as a humectant, solvent and sweetener, and may
help preserve foods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol

PG and/or VG are both used as the base of the E-Liquid.

PG/VG can be purchased from most E-Liquid suppliers with or without Nicotine. Unflavored PG or VG with Nicotine can be purchased for the purpose of mixing your own liquids and can be purchased is many strengths.
PG/VG without Nicotine is necessary for mixing your own liquids.

Glycerin can also be purchased from most pharmacies-over the counter. Humco is one brand of Pharmacy Grade (USP) glycerin. It is sold as a skin protectant. It is a clear, slightly thick liquid and has a sweet taste to it.
There is also a Food grade VG- Wiltons- sold at Craft stores in the baking sections. Can sometimes be found at Walmart in the craft section.

The information will have to be put into a couple posts--The server doesn't like the long version....

Yesterday I contact my employer's benefits office to make sure they had received my fax about my choices. I don't take their ins. but do take a few suppliments, anyway they are starting a smoking penalty so I wanted to make sure they knew I was a non-smoker. Lady tells me I don't have to worry as I have other coverage, I say you don't understand I am 101 days smoke-free I just want that known(ok pretty happy about this). She asked how I did it, I explained, she was very excited and said she is going to pass this along to others. I explained it isn't a smoking cessation device, LOL, but for me I didn't want to smoke anymore. She was very excited anyway. Then my director stopped in office, asked how I was doing with my electric thingy, I told her. She has been recommending this to other smokers in our network. Then I find out that one of our cardiology nurses is using ecig and having the same success as I am. I have had several people stop me in the halls or call me to inquire where to get these. Small steps I know but like a ripple in pond it can grow. Just wanted to put my 2 cents in about medical community using or recommending vaping.

Thanks for the tips on the drips

I did end up getting another mega atty. I just didnt feel like ordering everything else I needed to use the regular 510's. This new one, however, works alot better than the 2 that came in my kit. It's funny though, how long it takes to get em going at first. Seems like it was loaded with whatever that primer fluid is they use from the factory. This atty will take 3 drops and vape well for sometimes up to 10 hits - Amazing the variances in these products. Even the "I'm running dry" taste in this one is different that the other two. Note: I remove the wicks from all my attys - this, i feel, helps avoid the "mustard gas" flavor of burnt wick when they run dry.

Again, thanks for your input.

Dude.

Oh gosh, I really like the Mega Atty for Direct Dripping. I'm just the opposite from CaSea. It takes awhile to get used to one for DD, but once you do it's fantastic. The trick to it is: Once you've gotten it past the "too wet" or "too dry" stages and are now getting great vapor, ... stop and add Just One Drip... Take One or maybe 2 hits depending on how hard/long you hit it... and repeat the ONE drip. That will keep the Full vapor going for a long time, by doing the one drip/vape vape/repeat. Eventually you can skip a drip and add a vape... the longer you break it in, the better it gets. (getting there is a p.i.a. but so worth that full force vapor). (I'm not talking regular 510 fullness, it's fuller than a regular)

I use Vodka every now and again. It only takes a little bit in a little glass. Within 6 hrs, they're sparkling clean. I don't trust my tap water, so I then rinse with distilled water. So far so good. I've lost paint from the eliquid itself, but not the booze. Try it with a dead atty/carto first tho. Different proofs and whatnot. EverClear is like totally buzzed