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I went out for dinner tonight with a friend who smokes. Even though I had my e-cig with me, I was curious and bummed a camel. God Awful is the only thing I can thing of. For me, smoking is not on pause, I will never touch those nasty things again. It tasted just like they did when I first started smoking and I can't believe I kept on doing it.

Most people like to live without having any regrets or anything they would do over but I will always kick myself for even starting that horrible habit.

I really think people should try cutting down on nic. I think some are surprised as I was what happens when they get to zero for a little bit. Not saying I don't like it at times, but I've gone for days without vaping and not missing it. I know if I had to I could do without it forever if I had to.

I can not view this youtube clip as my internet connection sucks in the hotel but I wanted to pass this along. I received an email from Totally Wicked this morning announcing their PCC for eGo. With the long battery life of an eGo, I think this may be as necessary as a computer science major carrying a condom but I know the eGo (and the other 67 names/clones it is marketed under) is very popular.

http://www.youtube.com/user/totallywickedeliquid#p/u/6/VFTQvMh9b_U

Enjoy! (and tell me if it looks any good)

I am the same way, I used to post a lot then I realized with "Briakipedia" omnilurking all questions get answered. I save my responses for particular causes and snarkiness. When your in the presence of a god, just try to be a good angel.

I think it is as affordable as ever, $90 for an entire kit, including batteries.

VT store has them on sale for 62, with discount.
Vaprlife will upgrade it for $28.00. If you have VT Store ship it directly to Vaprlife, you can have the entire kit for $90.

Not sure how many Chris has left but I guess it in <5, I ordered another one because it was too good to pass up.

The DVM also works terrific, I have one as well (be sure to tell them you have a 510 version) it is a good investment for <$20, if you do not have a multimeter to read the voltage.

Excellent unit.

I take it your highest level of electronic degrees does not cover web page linking? =)

Correct link for those who are interested is:
http://www.freedomsmokeusa.com/

I wonder what fluids you use to avoid the impurities that you mention kill atomizers.

I am concerned, I hope Nana is o.k......

It has been 5 hours already and there isnt a post about the importance of backups?!?!?!

Anyone have a contact number to make sure she is ok.?



j/k much love for nana, feeling a bit sprite this a.m.

Jolly makes Chuck Norris scream "uncle"

I was turned off by cartomizers early on due to some negative posts on another forum. I tried them a few months ago and now they are my weapon of choice. I don't think I will buy another regular ATTY again.

Then, I found this video on VapeTV which shows how to extend the live of a cartomizer by turning it into an atomizer when the fiber filling starts to give off a bad taste.

http://www.vapetv.com/Doctor_Vapor/?video=56

scroll down to see
"Tips & Tricks - Episode 5 - Spent Cartomizers"

I was turned off by cartomizers early on due to some negative posts on another forum. I tried them a few months ago and now they are my weapon of choice. I don't think I will buy another regular ATTY again.

Then, I found this video on VapeTV which shows how to extend the live of a cartomizer by turning it into an atomizer when the fiber filling starts to give off a bad taste.

http://www.vapetv.com/Doctor_Vapor/?video=56

scroll down to see
"Tips & Tricks - Episode 5 - Spent Cartomizers"

I actually found the opposite when I started direct dripping. The other issue is the wick. It is a plume of fiberglass under the bridge which is used as a wicking element for carts. That is often where a lot of the burned residue accumulates. I found this video a few months ago and since then I remove the bridge and the wick from the atty. Not only do I not get the burnt taste much at all but the attys have lasted me longer. You mentioned you had some that just tasted burnt, you may want to try this out on one of them. Many have stated (self included) that this made my "gross" attys usable again and vaping dynamos.

I don't really care for the presenters style but the message is really good and it is not nearly as delicate as he would lead you to believe.

You surely came to the right place.

for supplies, I like this place:
http://www.ecigexpress.com/diy-supplies-c-3

They have all the syringes, gloves, and bottles you will need. They also carry some of the popular flavorings so it is good to get all in one place. They have a good price on vg/pg.

good quality liq-nic I get from here:

http://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/categories/DIY/

They also have good prices on pg/vg and the quality of their liq nic is very good. I have used the "premium" from Totally Wicked (platinum Ice) and this is every bit as good and at a fraction of the price. You can specify the strength and what it how it is diluted. This is the best price I can find for good quality, this is the only supplier I use for liq-nic.

Flavorings is probably the most disputed as there is a wide variety of "favorites". The first thing I want to mention is that you really do not want oil based, this is not good for your atomizers. Some of the popular artificial flavorings are; Loranns, Signature, Capellas and FlavorArt. All 4 of these are available at ecig express here:

http://www.ecigexpress.com/flavoring-c-16

Some people on these forums have had good luck with these but they are artificial flavors. the problem I have had is mixing a couple together for a more complex flavor. This is were I have issue and also it is my experience that if you do not get the ratio correct, it doesn't always taste right. This is my opinion and there are plenty of people that swear by them.

For me, I have had the most success with natural based flavorings. They seem to mix better when you are making them stronger/weaker and when you are blending several flavors together.

I get those at Totally Wicked site and they are here:
http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/products/e-liquid-flavourings/decadent-vapours-10ml-flavour-2-product.html

There is not any shortage of information or opinions on DIY. You will find there are very few "casual" DIYers. They are either disinterested after a few tries or are very passionate about that. Some of the most knowledgeable mixers can be found on these forums, i have learned a lot from them.

Have fun!

Which are you adding to favorites, Brian or the link?

Think about the process like this.


There is a coil that is at the center of every e-cig. It heats up the liquid and produces the vapor. IF you increase the power(wattage) of the coil you increase the heat which will change the output of the vapor. How it changes it can be a little subjective but higher voltage typically produces greater vapor volume and can diminish the flavor. Once again this is subjective but it is important to recognize that the variable that I am discussing is the heat of the coil.

A higher voltage battery will increase the power, therefore the heat of the coil. You also must realize that there is another factor of the equation and that is the resistance of the coil/atomizer. If you were to use 3.7v of power with a standard atomizer that has a resistance level (ohm) of 2.2 your wattage output would be 6.22 watts, this is the amount of power that is being applied to the coil. Let's say you were to use a 5.0 V power source, with the same atomizer, the wattage would be 11.36 watts, almost twice as much as a 3.7 power source.

Another approach is the use of a lower resistance atomizer, usually rated around 1.5 ohm. a 3.7 power source would them produce a wattage of 9.12 This allows you to produce power that is close to a 5v power source without needing a new device or batteries. These are pretty easy to get and not very expensive, many suppliers offer these, including the Vapor Talk store.

In both of these examples, what we are effectively doing is increasing the power to the coil, elevating the heat of the coil to manipulate the vapor that is being produced.

A couple of notes: a LR atomizer will not work on the standard 510 battery as it does not have enough battery capacity for the output. Also a LR atomizer should not be used on a 5v power supply as it will overload the coil and break it, similar to a power surge on a light bulb.

I hope this is not too complicated but in essence, this is exactly what the power discussions are all about, end wattage. It can be easy to lose this principle as everyone talks about devicess, atomizers, batteries, passthroughs, etc. At the end of the day, the end wattage is what heats the coil and will produce more or less vapor/flavor.

Power is calculated through Joule's law. You can find an easy to use calculator here:
http://thelocust.net/ohm/

A wiki post with a good explanation is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule%27s_laws


One option that is available to you that was not to me a few months ago when I was starting was variable voltage devices. These allow you to adjust the end wattage through the use of a variable regulator. It can give you 3.7v up to 6V and everything in between. However, it does require batteries and sizes. I did a review of one of these that can be found here (includes size comparisons).

http://www.vaportalk.com/forum/forum/topic/6307-the-buzz-final-review-update/

The eGo is a tremendous device, one that I used and it works well with a LR atomizer. There is no shortage of eGo or eGo similar devices.

I strongly recommend that you read all the reviews and discussions you can before you buy. You may also want to stop into the video chat room where you will never find a shortage of people to discuss this with you.

I know there is a lot of info in this post and I hope it was helpful. I bought 6 devices until I found the one for me (and I am probably still not done... ) and I hope that this post will help you avoid having to go through the typical progression of devices that most go through to find out what is best for their needs.

Remember, evaluate what your needs are and what is important to you. Just because a device works well for me (or anyone else) does not ensure it is a good fit for you. Find out why people like the devices and match that up with your requirements. Good Luck.

Think about the process like this.


There is a coil that is at the center of every e-cig. It heats up the liquid and produces the vapor. IF you increase the power(wattage) of the coil you increase the heat which will change the output of the vapor. How it changes it can be a little subjective but higher voltage typically produces greater vapor volume and can diminish the flavor. Once again this is subjective but it is important to recognize that the variable that I am discussing is the heat of the coil.

A higher voltage battery will increase the power, therefore the heat of the coil. You also must realize that there is another factor of the equation and that is the resistance of the coil/atomizer. If you were to use 3.7v of power with a standard atomizer that has a resistance level (ohm) of 2.2 your wattage output would be 6.22 watts, this is the amount of power that is being applied to the coil. Let's say you were to use a 5.0 V power source, with the same atomizer, the wattage would be 11.36 watts, almost twice as much as a 3.7 power source.

Another approach is the use of a lower resistance atomizer, usually rated around 1.5 ohm. a 3.7 power source would them produce a wattage of 9.12 This allows you to produce power that is close to a 5v power source without needing a new device or batteries. These are pretty easy to get and not very expensive, many suppliers offer these, including the Vapor Talk store.

In both of these examples, what we are effectively doing is increasing the power to the coil, elevating the heat of the coil to manipulate the vapor that is being produced.

A couple of notes: a LR atomizer will not work on the standard 510 battery as it does not have enough battery capacity for the output. Also a LR atomizer should not be used on a 5v power supply as it will overload the coil and break it, similar to a power surge on a light bulb.

I hope this is not too complicated but in essence, this is exactly what the power discussions are all about, end wattage. It can be easy to lose this principle as everyone talks about devicess, atomizers, batteries, passthroughs, etc. At the end of the day, the end wattage is what heats the coil and will produce more or less vapor/flavor.

Power is calculated through Joule's law. You can find an easy to use calculator here:
http://thelocust.net/ohm/

A wiki post with a good explanation is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule%27s_laws


One option that is available to you that was not to me a few months ago when I was starting was variable voltage devices. These allow you to adjust the end wattage through the use of a variable regulator. It can give you 3.7v up to 6V and everything in between. However, it does require batteries and sizes. I did a review of one of these that can be found here (includes size comparisons).

http://www.vaportalk.com/forum/forum/topic/6307-the-buzz-final-review-update/

The eGo is a tremendous device, one that I used and it works well with a LR atomizer. There is no shortage of eGo or eGo similar devices.

I strongly recommend that you read all the reviews and discussions you can before you buy. You may also want to stop into the video chat room where you will never find a shortage of people to discuss this with you.

I know there is a lot of info in this post and I hope it was helpful. I bought 6 devices until I found the one for me (and I am probably still not done... ) and I hope that this post will help you avoid having to go through the typical progression of devices that most go through to find out what is best for their needs.

Remember, evaluate what your needs are and what is important to you. Just because a device works well for me (or anyone else) does not ensure it is a good fit for you. Find out why people like the devices and match that up with your requirements. Good Luck.

Kit is exactly right, I have rationalized it like this; my kids may have to go to community college because I gave up cigs for vaping but at least I will now be around to laugh at them!

The video that got me started is here:



It goes along with a DIY starter kit from Totally Wicked. I certainly lost my fear of DIY and have been 90% of what I vape, I make ever since.

The kit is a good deal when it is on sale. You can certainly get supplies cheaper but this does give you a controlled environment and materials to get the feel for it. It is $60 and you can uze "caz" as the discount coupon and get 7.5% off. (not sure if that will work on the discounted kit)

http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/products/e-liquid-flavourings/platinum-ice-eliquid-mixing-kit-2-product.html

you get enough nicotine base to make 100ML of 18MG juice. You also get to choose 3 of what is my hands down favorite flavoring, Decadent Vapors. The flavorings are natural based and I find them ideal for Blending (Choc au lait + coconut = perfect mounds bar, Lime Zinger _ Tequila makes for a pretty nice Margarita, etc) I have not had good luck with using for blending artificial flavors, such as Capellas or Loranns. However, some members of this forum I have a lot of respect for, Kitsune and DDaveLarson both are happy with their results with artificial. To me, that is half the fun, finding your way to the ideal setup.

The video that got me started is here:



It goes along with a DIY starter kit from Totally Wicked. I certainly lost my fear of DIY and have been 90% of what I vape, I make ever since.

The kit is a good deal when it is on sale. You can certainly get supplies cheaper but this does give you a controlled environment and materials to get the feel for it. It is $60 and you can uze "caz" as the discount coupon and get 7.5% off. (not sure if that will work on the discounted kit)

http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/products/e-liquid-flavourings/platinum-ice-eliquid-mixing-kit-2-product.html

you get enough nicotine base to make 100ML of 18MG juice. You also get to choose 3 of what is my hands down favorite flavoring, Decadent Vapors. The flavorings are natural based and I find them ideal for Blending (Choc au lait + coconut = perfect mounds bar, Lime Zinger _ Tequila makes for a pretty nice Margarita, etc) I have not had good luck with using for blending artificial flavors, such as Capellas or Loranns. However, some members of this forum I have a lot of respect for, Kitsune and DDaveLarson both are happy with their results with artificial. To me, that is half the fun, finding your way to the ideal setup.

I received "The Buzz" about 5 hours ago and this is my first impression review. As a rule, I think it is best in most cases to wait a week or 2 but as there are few reviews on this "emerging technology" device and a good deal of interest, I think this makes a good exception to that rule. I will take a page from the Grimm Green book and post a final review later.

Before I get started,There are not very many pics of this mod, the designer posted some today, you can find them here:



Vitals:
Mod Name - The Buzz
Vendor link - http://www.notcigs.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=17&category_id=7&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1
Price - $114.95
Batteries - 2 X cr123 size 3.7V http://www.notcigs.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=9&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=80&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
Supported Atomizers - choice of 901 or 801 sitting, and purchase and adapter for 501 ($3.95)

Appearance:
The majority of effort and R&D seem have gone into the performance and function more than the design. This is not one of those "gorgeous" mods but it is not ugly. It is a simple and pragmatic design. It is a 4 3/8" long tube with flat end caps that are 1 1/8" in diameter. The construction seems solid, not indestructible as the Silver Bullet but appears to be built to last and sustain reasonable drops. The body features a spill reservoir around the atty and vent holes in the lower part of the body in the event of a battery rupture. The body also has 3 grip rings scored into the exterior. Visible on the outside of the body is a small LED indicator, a very small and responsive button, phillips head screw used to hold internal components and a small vent hole that allows access to the main star of this mod the potentiometer. The placement of the button is at the top of the mod and comfortable using both an index finger or my preference, my thumb.

Features:
Safety is a priority with this mod, which is key as it requires stacking batteries. The circuitry within the device features five Way Protection against shorts, unsafe temperatures, reverse polarity, excessive current drain, over discharged batteries. It is nice to know you can use unprotected batteries although I would NEVER use anything besides protected batteries.

The flagship feature of this mod is the potentiometer. A potentiometer allows you to adjust the regulated voltage to whatever you wish in a range between 3.7V and 6.0. The Stacked batteries deliver a native 7.4 V (8.2 fully charged) and that voltage is controlled to only deliver the voltage the user desires. The voltage is changed by using a small blade screwdriver (provided with the base modeal) to turn the head of the potentiometer. The basic rule is 1 turn = .2 volts. These are NOT staged presets but you can change the voltage by at least .1 volts. You will want to have a multimeter (inexpensive) device to tune the MOD. It does come set at 4.5 V and you can guesstimate it without a voltmeter. You will need to buy a cord to attach your multimeter to the atomizer but thankfully it is very reasonably priced at $4.95 and available at the vendors site as are the batteries, chargers and adapters.

Opinion:

Now that all the details are out of the way, I can get to the fun stuff, my opinion of the device. The appearance is o.k. and the construction is at the very least, solid. I would have preferred a native 501 device as the adapter adds about 1/4" to the atty but it will be manageable. There are a few exposed but recessed construction screws that would have been nice to be capped or hidden but it really is not a big deal. I did not buy this mod for its beauty, after all, how smart are the prettiest girls anyways? (This does NOT apply to my wife or the lovely ladies that frequent Vapor Talk Forums) This mod's brains far surpasses its beauty.

What I did buy this device for fully delivers the promise. I started out with some low charged batteries while I waited for my new ones to charge and it delivered a 4.5 right away and the entire time until the low batter indicator came on! This, for me is HUGE!! I quickly put the device on my multimeter and to my glee, as I turned the screw head, the voltage started changing. I was convinced I would like 4.2V the best but indeed the standard 4.5 was excellent for me. I have put other atties on both 901 and 801s and I was able to turn up the voltage to compensate for the higher resistance of these atomizers to produce a similar output wattage to my 510. Sure enough, the matching worked!(using a great calculator tool http://thelocust.net/ohm/)

My biggest gripe with e-cigs and every mod I have seen to date is the battery performance. I really like a fully charged 3.7 battery when it is at 4.2 but within the first hour, I can feel it diminishing. By hour 4, I am looking for a freshly charged 18650 battery to get back to 4.2v or putting on a LR atty to get the power back. Who cares if the battery will last me 18 hours if I am not enjoying the output? I have been vaping constantly for about 5 hours now and the performance has been startling consistent. Not only do I have the perfect voltage for my taste but the device is delivering it with every inhale for 5 hours. As this is a new device, I am, of course, measuring it every 15 minutes and the s.o.b. doesn't change. This is the performance I was seeking and the consistency I demanded. 5 hours is admittedly not a great sample but it has been extremely encouraging.

Summary
When you consider this mod is among the first if not the first of its kind, it is remarkably mature and well thought out. I am convinced that this is the future of mods. Anyone who creates a new mod that does not have the ability to ascertain the performance and MAINTAIN the performance will just simply not be as good as this device. This includes the fanciest $150.00 to $200.00 mods. I am sure future revisions of this device and will have a sleeker look and likely a built in voltage readout and surely native 510. Buying this version of The Buzz allows you to be one of the first to jump the fence into the land of consistent performance. In a few years, we will probably look back at this mod as primitive compared to the 2013 models but I will fondly recall the night I was one of the first to enjoy a truly consistent and personalized vaping experience.

I can not close this without mentioning the service I received. The vendor was responsive and surprised me by shipping the day I ordered. I am thrilled to have this today and the little touches really remind me that this is the best part of the e-cig/mod industry and that is access to the people at the top. Someday, I fear we will not be rubbing elbows with the Christophers, Parkers, Buzz, Peter from Decadent Vapors, Jasons from electronicstix as we do today. Enjoy it while we can.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha

I remember this.

This is the file that brought me to Vapor Talk in the first place. Christopher and his posting rules.

I was desperate to find a juice calculator and google brought me to one of Dave's threads with this calculator.

First, I couldnt DL the thing because I didnt have an account. Don't you just hate that??? O.k. so I make an account, and then try to download. I STILL cant download a ****ty 10K file????? WTF!!!

So I start searching again through google because certainly someone must offer up the file without the lame account rules. I searched by the file name, which always works like a charm. What did Google tell me???

VAPOR TALK VAPOR TALK VAPOR TALK

**** That site!!! O.k. He is using Trajan font, which is one of my all time favorites but still, this site is pissing me off. So what do I have to do? 5 posts? Are you ******* kidding me??? WTF!!!!

O.k. so I make my 5 posts and get the file and was relieved that I didnt have to come to this ******* site ever again. I forgot to delete my account...that was over 2 months ago...(true story)


Oh yeah....thanks for the update. =)

To make sure you understand the fundamentals, dripping is when users circumvent the loaded cartridge and choose to drip the liquid directly on the atomiser. This is preferred by many as they cite better flavor and performance from the device. While this will work with most e-cigs, it will not with some, particularly automatic batteries. Auto battery users need to "dip" the atomizer into the liquid.

A video explaining dripping can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/ChrisFromCali#p/u/18/h14QDp4v3O4



I do prefer to drip and when I do, I have found that i choose the long plastic drip tips. I find the metal ones get too hot for me and the short ones can sometimes allow hot fluid to hit your tongue. The long black tips can be found here (although out of stock) a google search will likely find you others.

http://shop.nhaler.com/Drip-Tips-for-901-510-Driptips901-510.htm

I beleive it is far cheaper to DIY. My recent calculations has me at $.13 per ML, please bear in mind, I am at 8MG strenght, even 24MG would be under $.50/ml

Startup cost really isnt that bad. All you really need is dropper bottles ($.79/ea for 2dram size), rubber gloves and pipettes for transferring liquid. My Original start up costs (equipment) was under $20

For materials, I use 100MG base liquid that I get for $99 for 250ML, at 8MG strength and consuming 5ML per day, that is almost a 2 year supply. PG or VG is fairly inexpensive (make sure it is USP)as well. Many can find it locally, I just get it from online vendors. Flavoring was the key, I did not like Loranns oils very much or capellas flavorings. What I did find is that I LOVE Decadent Vapours, which is sold over at TW (Totally Wicked).

Putting the mixes together is not any more complicated that being able to count drops. You have 3 basic ingredients, liquid nic, flavoring and a dilutent. You count the drops of the 3 to make the mix. You DO want to be careful and respectful of the liquid nic power. As long as you are not reckless or sloppy about it (I make my mixes in my kitchen sink) you can be very safe.

O.k. now for some linkage:

Here is where I got all of my supplies:

2dram plastic bottles, latex gloves, syringes, pipettes and PG/VG are all priced nicely at:

http://www.ecigexpress.com/diy-supplies-c-3

Liquid Nicotine is purchased here, I can state from experience that the quality of the liquid is very good:

http://myfreedomsmokes.com/diy.html

Finally, the flavorings:

The native site of the supplier (not a store) is:

http://www.be9.net/decadentvapours/flavours.htm
(favorite flavors include; apple pie, cafe brasiliano, french apple tart, Strawberry tart, Tiramisu, Choc o Mint, Mentholyptus and Sour Cherry)

These can be purchased at Totally Wicked
http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/products/e-liquid-flavourings/decadent-vapours-10ml-flavour-2-product.html
(this British company ships out of the US so dont let the funny accents and bad teeth fool you)

And finally, you need to create the recipes to make your mixes. There are many but I use this one:

http://www.tji-java-ide.com/e-cigarette/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=88

You can save your recipes, which is handy. You will see one towards the bottom called: "Decadent Vapors (Any Flavor) by Burn". That is my base recipe that I use, I created it when I was at 12 MG strength.

Whomever starts mixing their own, enjoy. Fresh juice, ability to customize and cost will all be benefits you will enjoy when creating your own.

I may make an assumption here so I will apologize ahead of time. If you are 18 or older and your parents ground you or wont allow you to make a small credit card purchase. I do apologize for making a statement that does not apply to you. If you are indeed 18 or older and getting grounded by your parents, as a token of my sincere regret, I can refer you to some terrific therapists that you may seek out in the future.

If you are under 18, it is illegal for you to purchase electronic cigarettes as it is with tobacco based cigarettes. Not only will you cause risk to yourself with the law but you will also cause risk to the vendor that irresponsibly or unknowingly sold these to you. The electronic cigarette industry has been under fire for underage users of this product and these sales to minors are being leveraged to ban electronic cigarettes altogether. For the sake of the people that enjoy or depend on these devices to rid themselves of tobacco, I kindly urge you not to purchase these devices.

On a personal and humanitarian note, Picking up nicotine in the form of tobacco is one of the stupidest decisions i have ever made and I have made some doozies. I suspect there are others on this forum that feel the same way about the horrible day when they smoked for the first time. If you can stop now, please do, I assure you, avoiding very addictive nicotine now will all you to avoid writing a forum post like I am in the future when you reach your 30's

good luck!

I may make an assumption here so I will apologize ahead of time. If you are 18 or older and your parents ground you or wont allow you to make a small credit card purchase. I do apologize for making a statement that does not apply to you. If you are indeed 18 or older and getting grounded by your parents, as a token of my sincere regret, I can refer you to some terrific therapists that you may seek out in the future.

If you are under 18, it is illegal for you to purchase electronic cigarettes as it is with tobacco based cigarettes. Not only will you cause risk to yourself with the law but you will also cause risk to the vendor that irresponsibly or unknowingly sold these to you. The electronic cigarette industry has been under fire for underage users of this product and these sales to minors are being leveraged to ban electronic cigarettes altogether. For the sake of the people that enjoy or depend on these devices to rid themselves of tobacco, I kindly urge you not to purchase these devices.

On a personal and humanitarian note, Picking up nicotine in the form of tobacco is one of the stupidest decisions i have ever made and I have made some doozies. I suspect there are others on this forum that feel the same way about the horrible day when they smoked for the first time. If you can stop now, please do, I assure you, avoiding very addictive nicotine now will all you to avoid writing a forum post like I am in the future when you reach your 30's

good luck!