jonnoh

I think this stuff is amazing.

I went to a seminar where the expert was explaining to us how easily the general public,and public officials could be manipulated. They used the example that Earthling is using and could not get Dihydrogen-Monoxide through the EPA as a fire fighting agent. There was also the fluoride scare in Albuquerque (I will not debate if fluoride is good or bad...I don't know) The city was supposed to start putting fluoride in the water on a certain date, on that day there was many instances of people admitted to the hospital with fluoride caused ailments. The only problem is their shipment of fluoride was delayed and did not arrive for over a week.

And if you have not seen how easy it is to fool some news casters check out this video:



This being said, I am glad we have people out there making sure we don't get poisoned, and have clean water, air, etc, but there has to be some common sense.

^^ this ^^

Of course, wackos on the left-coast are the origin of "This product contains ingredients known to the state of California to cause cancer, birth defects, etc." warnings on bubble-gum and tampons!

To them breathing air is the cause of birth-defects... I think they all should remember that water is the leading cause of drowning, too... and I suggest a warning label be placed on all bottled water... you know... for the children...:

"Warning, this product contains Dihydrogen-Monoxide, a chemical known by everyone BUT the state of CA to be the leading cause of drowning, and when combined with Sodium-Chloride and Selachii-Carcharodon-carcharias can be an extreme hazard, resulting in severed limbs, extreme loss of blood, and/or death."

Congratulations!  It's a great achievement indeed.  Maybe we who have significant milestones under our belts should get annual pins like those "kiss me I gave blood" pins or something.  Cuz every birthday or anniversary without a head stone is a milestone.  I think I stole that from a 'Golden Girls' episode.  

Way to go BC,I'm lovin that big tobacco and big pharma are
hatin all these success stories   

49 year former Marlboro fan here.  
Next piece of advice:  Have backups for the backups of the backups. 

Well today marks two years since a nasty analog touched my lips. I like others have said sort of see this as the last major milestone in my journey to leave tobacco behind. It's no longer a struggle it's simply a way of life at this point.

I thought instead of patting myself on the back I might share a few things I have learned and realized:

Backups for backups on tanks, batteries and coils are key to success. You spent hundreds of dollars a month on analogs for one months investment you can be set for a year and never be in a bad spot.

Vaping can save you money if you keep it simple. I mean spend what you want it's your money lol, but for me saving money was a motivating factor and at this point including the cost of equipment and supplies it has cost me about $1.60 per day to vape. Compared to about $7-8 a day on analogs or more when you consider how many people bummed them off you haha that is considerable savings. If it's a hobby for you awesome but keeping up with the next guy will result in less savings or even more cost when in reality a simple battery, tank, coil and liquid will get it done lol.

Do not hide the fact you vape in fact do the opposite just do it in a respectful way considerate of others. In restaurants and places that it is not openly accepted step into the bathroom stall and stealth vape, have done this since day 1. I refuse to go to a "smoking area. I do not smoke. On that same note, please do not hold yourself to be a spectacle. Please do not participate in making vaping a sport with cloud competitions and walking around in public blowing giant clouds. Our fate WILL be decided by those who will not be impressed by those activities but rather the opposite. Some do not understand we are in a fight right now to not be doomed to $10 cigalikes made with God knows what in them by big tobacco. Just remember it's not what we vapers think that really will decide policy, it's the public perception that will be the deciding factor. If you want to blow giant clouds and build .00000001 ohm coils and push the limits go for it just do it safely and equally importantly do it in an appropriate place. Our future is in our own hands, lets preserve it not harm it!

Lastly thank you to those on here that have been by my side since day one. It's you that gave me the education that has yielded this result. It's a debt that can never be repaid, it saved my life very literally. From myself and the loved ones in my life, my gratitude will be there the rest of my days!

I don't have anything against blowing clouds if that is what is keeping a person off analogs, But....
 
It is all about the spin, and 99% of people that don't have a clue about vaping hear the spin and not the truth. I don't think the "Making it a Sport" concept is doing the industry any favors.
 
It won't be an $8.00 cigalike it will be (after taxes) more like a $28 dollar cigalike and $15 dollars for 2 refill carts that will last about as long as 1 pack making analogs cheaper pushing people back to analogs. This is what big tobacco wants.

No not right now IMO. It's not my personal feeling that cloud contests and vaping as a sport is dumb it's the perception it perpetuates in the public eye.

It's like when people in Colorado were fighting for legalization of cannabis. The media did not talk about the doctors and businessmen and women lined up the first day it was the twenty something living in his dad's basement with dreads and a knit cap sitting in the park looking like, well a loser. When the media reports on vaping and they show someone sitting on a park bench blowing huge clouds or show a cloud chasing competition they do not show me, the average vaper that has used basic equipment to keep off analogs for two years.

Vaping for sport WILL play almost as big a hand in us being regulated heavily as big tobaccos influence.

And all the while shops, websites and forums seem happy to advance this culture instead of pointing out that we may be our own worst enemy. There are really only 3 or 4 sub forums I even am active on here anymore because the "cloud chasing culture" annoys me. I have been saying the same thing this article points out for at least a year and a half and most disagreed. Now there are articles from experts saying the same thing and I would hazard to guess the cloud chasing sub ohm will still be 90% of the posts.

I am for anyone to do as they please but when it can have an adverse affect on my freedom I speak up. Just remember when you are grabbing a $8 cig alike as your only choice to ask yourself is vaping for sport was a good idea.

Not my cup of tea either, Tam...  But, it sounds like you were at a vape show with everyone I attended high school with

Feel free to jump on that soapbox often, lol... Passion breeds activists, and we need all the help we can get to fight for our freedoms!

I posted a link (loosely referencing this MA proposal a while back), but my focus was on the fact that one of the documents they overlooked (the politicians) was that Nicotine was NOT the addictive substance they constantly (push) think it is...

I'm of the mind that becoming a politician instantly makes you an expert on everything (NOT), but it DOES make you believe that it is your responsibility to protect John Q Public from himself... next step... corks on forks, because you might poke your eye out if you miss your mouth!

The reason why I recommended the pen style batteries is because they are cheaper and the new vaper can buy two. If his vape budget were bigger, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend an Eleaf iStick 30W or 50W but having no back up when one is charging or should one get lost or break... is not acceptable, especially to someone who is trying to get off and stay off analogs.
 
Back ups. Have them. Then, get back ups of your back ups. You can never have too many. 

Does that mean I can't take the battery out of the car and use it for vaping?

Welcome FXRich, experimentation is only a sign of  evolution

I like that the cotton is "certificated," think how much better it could be if it were actually "certified." 

Ha! My first car was a '68 square back .....

Guess what my very first car was? Yep, a banana yellow squareback, 31 years ago. I wish I still had it now...

A fender bender in Malaysia is usually settled there on the spot with drivers saying things like oops I didn't see you, sorry, and the victim saying, never mind it's a small matter.  But if someone wants to file a police report because they can't resolve on the spot, you have to go to the nearest police officer station because the cops drive right by.  At the police officer station you have to fill up form and forms and more forms and have them stamped as official and better yet produce 8x10 colour glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back or each one..... but I digress.  Then you have to wait whilst they finish their tea and then go to the mosque to pray for an hour or so before they assign fault and then you can go on your merry way. 

Yeah, it's much worse in CA (and many big cities in other states), where the lawyers have made it impossible for anyone to flush a toilet without three letters of intent, a waiver from your cardiologist that it's safe for you to be pushing the handle, and $50M in liability insurance!
 
Here in KY, (in the larger cities) it takes 4 fire trucks to get a cat out of a tree, but a fender-bender takes 30-min for a cop to show up... an hour later, you'll get 2 ambulances, rescue-squad, at least 2 fire trucks, and half a dozen cops.  BUT, in the sticks where I live, you can call the Sheriff before you axe-murder a whole bus-load of nuns, and have time to dispose of the bodies and concoct an alibi before ONE cop shows up

Thanks for the read... and your brother is one smart cookie for knowing the meat of the pamphlet has to do with the possible cause of fire due to Li-Ion battery charging issues...   Sadly, the pamphlet is written with a ton of info from WHO, FDA, FEMA, and other politically oriented organizations that slanted a lot of the wording and data to show e-cigs as a demon to be eradicated (or at least sin-taxed).
 
I understand the need of fire personnel and investigators to know the potential issue with Li-Ion batteries, but how does this info assist a first-responder?  Other than to aid the propaganda-machine to now blame all fires in the homes/vehicles/work-places where vaping gear is found... on the vaping gear!
 
This is just like how the doctor listed the cause of death of my grandmother as "smoking related", even though she died of passive heart-failure in her sleep at the age of 97 (just because she smoked 2-packs a day).  She also drank 2-6 beers every day of her adult life, but they didn't list her cause of death as alcoholism... because that doesn't fit their agenda!

I do not get mad I just tell them since I started vaping I have:

Lost 61 lbs

Normalized my BP and no longer am treated for hypertension

Off anxiety meds except on the worst of days lol. Used to be 3 a day every day

My son no longer coughs or has allergy problems

My allergy problems disappeared

My MD, dentist and every other health professional I know are supportive

My monthly savings are over $400


There is more but they usually get the picture with half of these few benefits I have experienced.

As I approach two years in a couple weeks I atill have yet to see a down side.

Great words from all.

Does anyone else get extremely mad like I do when someone says to you that vaping is very bad and very dangerous.

I've only had it happen one time to me and I could feel my blood start boiling...If it wasn't an old lady in a wheel chair with a broke foot I would have laid into her.

Wow awesome. I agree with him. His "we sre the new smokers" comment is right on and not to be taken lightly.

For the last 6 months or so my wife has a co-worker who "knows all about vaping". This guy has been feeding my wife a constant stream of regurgitated anti vaping info. In every case I have sent my wife all of the debunking articles related to all of his attacks which she forwards to him faithfully. Finally, after 6 months he has stopped feeding her this BS. But I'm not betting he isn't spreading this stuff around elsewhere. THis is a real attack and I think we take for granted sometimes that we have it easy because we right now it is easy but the day approaches when that ends and we find ourselves the new "sinners" and the sin tax starts.

A friend of mine that owns a shop shared this on his Facebook page and I thought it worth passing on. Very insightful and accurate imo. Credit to Eric Peterson, President of the Tennessee Smoke Free Association for this:


"Advocacy vs. Public Belief

I am concerned that as this war on ecigs escalates, the real reason for the product is falling to the waste side. With big tobaccos push for misleading, false, and fear mongering tactics, vapers are the new "smokers". So many people come to me now and say "you know those are worse for you than a real cigarette". When they were asking "do those work for you?".

With all this taking place I still see a part of vaping moving towards a sport lifestyle, the cloud comps, the "freedom clouds" way of thinking, and so on. (Which I have done as well)

Then there are the vapors that you don't see. The people that go to the shops to get their coils and some juice for their starter kit that they have used for a year and a half. They don't come to the vape meets and that's ok.

We all have one thing in common here.

WE QUIT SMOKING!

This is the one and only purpose for vaping. We all are responsible for the public belief. We all are the face of vaping. We are what the public sees. Our actions can confirm or disprove our opposition. A year ago I relized I had to make a choice with how I would be as an advocate. Truth is anyone that vapes is an advocate so how will you represent vaping and the Public Belief?"

I know my car runs better when I'm shifting from third to second, turning on the signal, rummaging around for one of the eCigs that rolled on the floor, making the corner only to find it's rolled in the other direction, meanwhile making sure my beer doesn't careen off the dash, while changing the radio station, and answering the hand phone.  Or maybe I'm just not paying attention to the engine?  

ummmm and backups?????