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I think to many news reporters and possibly the FDA may already suffer from Alz

Your welcome Christmas early from the VT vault

1 or 2 scoops of Dulcis? ........ Sorry, inside joke.

Oh by the way QT, check your email

I hear a few countries are using Vapor Talk Duclis has currency.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/16/whats-so-ridiculous-about-katherine-heigls-e-cigarette-habit/

I always believed we should endeavor to eschew obfuscation, but that's simple ole me.

oooo esoteric, nice word.

This right here, this is so key! I love this part about vaping more than anything else! Thanks for putting it into words.

nail stickers from any drug or discount store work great!

Brian is right. I have only used ecigs for about 3-1/2 months now and I was very fortunate to find this forum to research "the good and the not so good" brands and such. I took the advice of long time vapers here and ordered a joye 510 kit. It came with 2 complete setups, charger and 5 cartridges for $35. The parts are pretty standard purchase for the 510 too.
Brian is right, cartridges aren't equal to a pack of cigarettes. You'll want to add liquid or change the cartridge after a few "drags". Plus, the liquid they prefill those cartridges with tastes pretty cruddy. The authentic look and feel seems to be what first time buyers look for in an ecig, but after using it for a day, that will go out the window. You'll want a long lasting battery, sturdy product, etc. over the look of it. They are all mostly too heavy to leave in your mouth like a cigarette too.
There's just so many false claims out there, you have to be careful. My sister and niece fell for an electronic cigarette scam a few months ago, called Prada. They keep sending new supplies and charging your account, like a contract club type thing.
Good luck and I highly recommend the advice of veteran vapers on this site.

I would vape an eliquid that was 10.00 for 10 ml. over analogs!

You know I don't know about other people but when I started vaping and having a lot less reg cigs, I did not feel like myself and honest to goodness day three was the worst!!
It could be that you detoxing from the chemicals. You said headache, but honestly nicotine withdrawal causes a headache as well, it is so hard to tell what could be the problem.
Did you get any blank carts? Or just the prefilled ones?
Does the feeling you are getting directly coincide with vaping? Like you vape you get a headache or is it the other way around? Remember that quitting smoking brings on some symptoms as well. I am one month in and still feel a tiny bit off, but I am way better than I was.

She said it does exsist she just said it was rare! So, I thought that was good news.

So, I went to the doc today and she said for the first time your ears are not infected and you don't have a sinus infection even after you had a cold.....I said YEAH! She listened to my lungs and said OH I forgot you quit smoking your lungs sound great!! We talked about PG/VG effects on the body some headaches I was having, and then we talked about people having issues with E-cigs. She does not watch the news so she did not now anyything about the FDA crap, but she said how come they cannot use common sense, lets see 4000 chemicals over lets see 4-7 in the juices. So she is pretty happy said my lungs sound better than she has ever heard them and to keep on vaping.

She was shocked at how much of a variety of juices you can get. I told her my urine smelled off was wondering if it was the PG/VG she said no, its probably the flavoring. She also pointed out that if I start having problems with it that it might more than likely be the different flavorings and NOT the actual PG/VG. Suggested to start flavors ONE at a time so you know if you are having a problem with a different flavor, mixture or manufacturer. She also thought it would be INCREDIBLY rare to have an allergic reaction to PG/VG because it is all around us all the time in foods and products.

She was going to suggest it to a patient she has who was in the hospital intubated and as soon as the tube came out she was outside the hospital SMOKING! Maybe it will work. Sure hope so!

That's all I gots! Thought you would all like to hear some more positives from a medical professional.

Happy Birthday! Glad you got the cola I hope you rocks for ya!

Thank you for being brave enough to share your story so that we can all learn from it.

I am so glad your little girl was ok.

I always have baby wipes with me when I am filling and messing with juice, so if I spill I can get it up right away and there is no way that it is going to still be there.

The other thing you might want to be careful about is calling it "JUICE" in front of the kids. Call it nicotine liquid or niquid or whatever don't let them thin its juice.

Take care!

Hi, its so confusing!!

Ok this is what I would get if I was going to be starting again.

I would get the starter kit of your choice. Then get cartomizers, for me when I started this is less of a hassle that cartridges and an atomizer. I would get the regular ones.

Then you need to get the liquid, menthol and then whatever flavor you want, but get small bottles, you seriously just don't know what is going to taste good to you and you don't want to end up with juice you don't like.

MG....I started at 18 and I smoked 1 and 1/2 packs a day of marlboro medium 100's, I had no problems with this.

For starters that is all you need.

You will have a better idea of what you want your next order to be after you do this a bit.

I have not heard good or bad about cignot, but I would go to vaporgalaxy.com and order from Luke if you can.

Good Luck!

With all of this talk regarding the FDA needing to provide approval over the electronic cigarette, many new and interesting things have arisen. First, it seems evidently clear that people are not understanding exactly what an electronic cigarette is. And not what it is as in, it’s a battery and an atomizer which is a vaporizer which are completely legal, but that the electronic cigarette is a vaporizer that can vaporize liquids that do not contain nicotine.

In several conversations, one with an elected official, one with a news reporter, and one with a customs agent, all were shocked to hear that the electronic cigarette does not magically fill itself up and that there are solutions that offer no nicotine. Classifying the electronic cigarette as a drug delivering device seems like just deciding that all chewing gum is a drug because one kind of gum has nicotine in it.

Well, this frustration led to some further research about nicotine itself. We have found it extremely interesting that when searching the FDA website, we cannot, in fact, find ANY reference to them actually having control over nicotine. When you search Nicotine, they send you to On March 21, 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration lacks the authority to regulate tobacco. Therefore, FDA no longer maintains its Children and Tobacco Website.!


In 1994, the then Director of the FDA, Dr. David Kessler, issued a statement arguing that the manipulation of nicotine makes cigarettes pharmaceuticals. It was at this point, that the FDA decided it was time to take control of the tobacco industry. In 1997, a judge ruled in favor of the FDA. That was then appealed and taken to the Supreme Court, where it was stated that the FDA has clearly stated throughout the past that it had no desire to control tobacco and that ruling overturned the earlier courts decision. This brings us to where we are now.

Nicotine is not necessarily controlled by the FDA. It does seem to have control when said company wants to make a health claim. For instance, NicoWater. Everyone remembers this as the water that could help you satisfy your nicotine cravings. Now, it is important to note that they did attempt to go homeopathic, but unfortunately, the nicotine prohibitionists decided to take action, so the lobbying against NicoWater began. Upon this outside influence, the FDA acted by claiming that NicoWater didn’t file paperwork properly and removed their approval.

The other fatal flaw in this scenario was putting NicoWater in the same cooler as regular water. It did contain nicotine, no matter how small and diluted, and any smoker can agree, it should probably not be in the reach of children. (But neither should caffeine, but that is another battle!)

Back to nicotine. So, in our travels, we were also introduced to a brilliant piece of writing by David Sweaner, Senior Council for the Non-Smokers Rights Association, who wrote a fabulous essay on Alternative Nicotine Delivery as a Harm-Reduction Strategy. Simply brilliant. This piece was presented at the American Society of Addiction Medicine Conference in 1995 & 1996 and The Health Education Authority Seminar on Alternative Delivery Systems, in 1996. Although a wee bit ahead of his time, it is fitting we should find it now, considering the Waxman Bill is getting ready to grace the Senate with it’s presence and may have unexpected implications.

Basically, what Sweaner’s essay says is that the cigarette industry has had years of a monopoly. By doing this, tobacco has been turned into a death carrier and impounded upon by the evils of addiction based profiteers. What we need to do is strip away these additives and look at nicotine for what it really is. And what it really is, is an addictive substance with far fewer health risks than it’s carrier.

By doing this, we can begin to stop demonizing nicotine users, as we certainly do not demonize coffee drinkers (even though caffeine falls into the same family as cocaine and amphetamines). We need to focus on cleaner ways of allowing people to use nicotine, without the touch of the pharmaceutical industry and the completely laxidasical haphazardnous of the tobacco industry. There needs to be a medium where nicotine users have an option that is viable for them. This medium, while needing some regulation, needs to be open for the free market so that small businesses and new ideas can be pushed out into the market. They need to focus on tobacco harm reduction which in turn, might actually get people un-addicted to nicotine. Holy Shocker! Some logic from a non-smoking crowd!

Basically: The quit or die method, should simply die.

So here we are in 2009 at the Waxman Bill. The Waxman Bill may have implications for Nicotine and the FDA. It will tell any new product emerging into the market, sure you can play but if you don’t have a maximum of $100,000,000.00 to play ball, then don’t come a knocking. To users it says: Do you enjoy nicotine? Well great! Come on over to the pharmaceutical counter and lets see what we have for ya! Here’s some Chantix. It might not get you to quit smoking, but if you fall into the category of some of the users, you will commit suicide and then all of your problems will be solved.

Op! If you commit suicide your insurance won’t cover your death? But hey, and you have to digg deep for this one, a study was done by the Royal London School of Medicine that found the typical patches, gum etc over help to only one in five people and those people only manage to stay off of the cigarettes. Shhh… We found that one on the FDA’s own website!

Or better yet, reside yourself to an early death and go the other route. That’s right! Smoke Tobacco. The proven recipe of our founding fathers altered and changed. Made more delicious and deadly. Made just to our liking. At least someone is getting their tax dollar revenue before you die. It is far safer than some propylene glycol, flavorings and nicotine. Tobacco cigarettes have been scientifically proven to kill whereas the electronic cigarette seems to be getting a hard time before the results are even in.

It all sounds scary and guess what? It is! It is a sad day when an alternative to smoking hits the world, like the electronic cigarette, and even one good doctor is quoted as saying “you are probably getting more nicotine than you would be getting in a cigarette simply because filter cigarettes tend to dilute the nicotine that is being inhaled and in this one you get the pure effects”. I especially like the “probably”.

So for those of you who are interested, there is no bleak end to the electronic cigarette future. There are currently active suppliers participating in the formation of an Electronic Cigarette Association. The first meeting will take place April 11th & 12th in Chicago. Here, the group will determine acceptable trade practices and a goal for to betterment of the industry and it’s consumers. This isn’t an unregulated group of shady back alley dealers. This is a group of ex-tobacco smokers who think that the electronic cigarette is exactly what it is, an alternative to tobacco.

A better (in my opinion) way to intake nicotine, which is a completely legal substance for adults. The electronic cigarette is not a smoking cessation device.
We are going to fight this every step of the way because well, it is ridiculous that the peacock is taking over the zoo. Sure the road is going to be bumpy. And hopefully, the Senate will take note from their fellow Congressmen who smoke e-cigs and ensure tobacco smokers have rights and options.

Happy E-Smoking!

With all of this talk regarding the FDA needing to provide approval over the electronic cigarette, many new and interesting things have arisen. First, it seems evidently clear that people are not understanding exactly what an electronic cigarette is. And not what it is as in, it’s a battery and an atomizer which is a vaporizer which are completely legal, but that the electronic cigarette is a vaporizer that can vaporize liquids that do not contain nicotine.

In several conversations, one with an elected official, one with a news reporter, and one with a customs agent, all were shocked to hear that the electronic cigarette does not magically fill itself up and that there are solutions that offer no nicotine. Classifying the electronic cigarette as a drug delivering device seems like just deciding that all chewing gum is a drug because one kind of gum has nicotine in it.

Well, this frustration led to some further research about nicotine itself. We have found it extremely interesting that when searching the FDA website, we cannot, in fact, find ANY reference to them actually having control over nicotine. When you search Nicotine, they send you to On March 21, 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration lacks the authority to regulate tobacco. Therefore, FDA no longer maintains its Children and Tobacco Website.!


In 1994, the then Director of the FDA, Dr. David Kessler, issued a statement arguing that the manipulation of nicotine makes cigarettes pharmaceuticals. It was at this point, that the FDA decided it was time to take control of the tobacco industry. In 1997, a judge ruled in favor of the FDA. That was then appealed and taken to the Supreme Court, where it was stated that the FDA has clearly stated throughout the past that it had no desire to control tobacco and that ruling overturned the earlier courts decision. This brings us to where we are now.

Nicotine is not necessarily controlled by the FDA. It does seem to have control when said company wants to make a health claim. For instance, NicoWater. Everyone remembers this as the water that could help you satisfy your nicotine cravings. Now, it is important to note that they did attempt to go homeopathic, but unfortunately, the nicotine prohibitionists decided to take action, so the lobbying against NicoWater began. Upon this outside influence, the FDA acted by claiming that NicoWater didn’t file paperwork properly and removed their approval.

The other fatal flaw in this scenario was putting NicoWater in the same cooler as regular water. It did contain nicotine, no matter how small and diluted, and any smoker can agree, it should probably not be in the reach of children. (But neither should caffeine, but that is another battle!)

Back to nicotine. So, in our travels, we were also introduced to a brilliant piece of writing by David Sweaner, Senior Council for the Non-Smokers Rights Association, who wrote a fabulous essay on Alternative Nicotine Delivery as a Harm-Reduction Strategy. Simply brilliant. This piece was presented at the American Society of Addiction Medicine Conference in 1995 & 1996 and The Health Education Authority Seminar on Alternative Delivery Systems, in 1996. Although a wee bit ahead of his time, it is fitting we should find it now, considering the Waxman Bill is getting ready to grace the Senate with it’s presence and may have unexpected implications.

Basically, what Sweaner’s essay says is that the cigarette industry has had years of a monopoly. By doing this, tobacco has been turned into a death carrier and impounded upon by the evils of addiction based profiteers. What we need to do is strip away these additives and look at nicotine for what it really is. And what it really is, is an addictive substance with far fewer health risks than it’s carrier.

By doing this, we can begin to stop demonizing nicotine users, as we certainly do not demonize coffee drinkers (even though caffeine falls into the same family as cocaine and amphetamines). We need to focus on cleaner ways of allowing people to use nicotine, without the touch of the pharmaceutical industry and the completely laxidasical haphazardnous of the tobacco industry. There needs to be a medium where nicotine users have an option that is viable for them. This medium, while needing some regulation, needs to be open for the free market so that small businesses and new ideas can be pushed out into the market. They need to focus on tobacco harm reduction which in turn, might actually get people un-addicted to nicotine. Holy Shocker! Some logic from a non-smoking crowd!

Basically: The quit or die method, should simply die.

So here we are in 2009 at the Waxman Bill. The Waxman Bill may have implications for Nicotine and the FDA. It will tell any new product emerging into the market, sure you can play but if you don’t have a maximum of $100,000,000.00 to play ball, then don’t come a knocking. To users it says: Do you enjoy nicotine? Well great! Come on over to the pharmaceutical counter and lets see what we have for ya! Here’s some Chantix. It might not get you to quit smoking, but if you fall into the category of some of the users, you will commit suicide and then all of your problems will be solved.

Op! If you commit suicide your insurance won’t cover your death? But hey, and you have to digg deep for this one, a study was done by the Royal London School of Medicine that found the typical patches, gum etc over help to only one in five people and those people only manage to stay off of the cigarettes. Shhh… We found that one on the FDA’s own website!

Or better yet, reside yourself to an early death and go the other route. That’s right! Smoke Tobacco. The proven recipe of our founding fathers altered and changed. Made more delicious and deadly. Made just to our liking. At least someone is getting their tax dollar revenue before you die. It is far safer than some propylene glycol, flavorings and nicotine. Tobacco cigarettes have been scientifically proven to kill whereas the electronic cigarette seems to be getting a hard time before the results are even in.

It all sounds scary and guess what? It is! It is a sad day when an alternative to smoking hits the world, like the electronic cigarette, and even one good doctor is quoted as saying “you are probably getting more nicotine than you would be getting in a cigarette simply because filter cigarettes tend to dilute the nicotine that is being inhaled and in this one you get the pure effects”. I especially like the “probably”.

So for those of you who are interested, there is no bleak end to the electronic cigarette future. There are currently active suppliers participating in the formation of an Electronic Cigarette Association. The first meeting will take place April 11th & 12th in Chicago. Here, the group will determine acceptable trade practices and a goal for to betterment of the industry and it’s consumers. This isn’t an unregulated group of shady back alley dealers. This is a group of ex-tobacco smokers who think that the electronic cigarette is exactly what it is, an alternative to tobacco.

A better (in my opinion) way to intake nicotine, which is a completely legal substance for adults. The electronic cigarette is not a smoking cessation device.
We are going to fight this every step of the way because well, it is ridiculous that the peacock is taking over the zoo. Sure the road is going to be bumpy. And hopefully, the Senate will take note from their fellow Congressmen who smoke e-cigs and ensure tobacco smokers have rights and options.

Happy E-Smoking!

With all of this talk regarding the FDA needing to provide approval over the electronic cigarette, many new and interesting things have arisen. First, it seems evidently clear that people are not understanding exactly what an electronic cigarette is. And not what it is as in, it’s a battery and an atomizer which is a vaporizer which are completely legal, but that the electronic cigarette is a vaporizer that can vaporize liquids that do not contain nicotine.

In several conversations, one with an elected official, one with a news reporter, and one with a customs agent, all were shocked to hear that the electronic cigarette does not magically fill itself up and that there are solutions that offer no nicotine. Classifying the electronic cigarette as a drug delivering device seems like just deciding that all chewing gum is a drug because one kind of gum has nicotine in it.

Well, this frustration led to some further research about nicotine itself. We have found it extremely interesting that when searching the FDA website, we cannot, in fact, find ANY reference to them actually having control over nicotine. When you search Nicotine, they send you to On March 21, 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration lacks the authority to regulate tobacco. Therefore, FDA no longer maintains its Children and Tobacco Website.!


In 1994, the then Director of the FDA, Dr. David Kessler, issued a statement arguing that the manipulation of nicotine makes cigarettes pharmaceuticals. It was at this point, that the FDA decided it was time to take control of the tobacco industry. In 1997, a judge ruled in favor of the FDA. That was then appealed and taken to the Supreme Court, where it was stated that the FDA has clearly stated throughout the past that it had no desire to control tobacco and that ruling overturned the earlier courts decision. This brings us to where we are now.

Nicotine is not necessarily controlled by the FDA. It does seem to have control when said company wants to make a health claim. For instance, NicoWater. Everyone remembers this as the water that could help you satisfy your nicotine cravings. Now, it is important to note that they did attempt to go homeopathic, but unfortunately, the nicotine prohibitionists decided to take action, so the lobbying against NicoWater began. Upon this outside influence, the FDA acted by claiming that NicoWater didn’t file paperwork properly and removed their approval.

The other fatal flaw in this scenario was putting NicoWater in the same cooler as regular water. It did contain nicotine, no matter how small and diluted, and any smoker can agree, it should probably not be in the reach of children. (But neither should caffeine, but that is another battle!)

Back to nicotine. So, in our travels, we were also introduced to a brilliant piece of writing by David Sweaner, Senior Council for the Non-Smokers Rights Association, who wrote a fabulous essay on Alternative Nicotine Delivery as a Harm-Reduction Strategy. Simply brilliant. This piece was presented at the American Society of Addiction Medicine Conference in 1995 & 1996 and The Health Education Authority Seminar on Alternative Delivery Systems, in 1996. Although a wee bit ahead of his time, it is fitting we should find it now, considering the Waxman Bill is getting ready to grace the Senate with it’s presence and may have unexpected implications.

Basically, what Sweaner’s essay says is that the cigarette industry has had years of a monopoly. By doing this, tobacco has been turned into a death carrier and impounded upon by the evils of addiction based profiteers. What we need to do is strip away these additives and look at nicotine for what it really is. And what it really is, is an addictive substance with far fewer health risks than it’s carrier.

By doing this, we can begin to stop demonizing nicotine users, as we certainly do not demonize coffee drinkers (even though caffeine falls into the same family as cocaine and amphetamines). We need to focus on cleaner ways of allowing people to use nicotine, without the touch of the pharmaceutical industry and the completely laxidasical haphazardnous of the tobacco industry. There needs to be a medium where nicotine users have an option that is viable for them. This medium, while needing some regulation, needs to be open for the free market so that small businesses and new ideas can be pushed out into the market. They need to focus on tobacco harm reduction which in turn, might actually get people un-addicted to nicotine. Holy Shocker! Some logic from a non-smoking crowd!

Basically: The quit or die method, should simply die.

So here we are in 2009 at the Waxman Bill. The Waxman Bill may have implications for Nicotine and the FDA. It will tell any new product emerging into the market, sure you can play but if you don’t have a maximum of $100,000,000.00 to play ball, then don’t come a knocking. To users it says: Do you enjoy nicotine? Well great! Come on over to the pharmaceutical counter and lets see what we have for ya! Here’s some Chantix. It might not get you to quit smoking, but if you fall into the category of some of the users, you will commit suicide and then all of your problems will be solved.

Op! If you commit suicide your insurance won’t cover your death? But hey, and you have to digg deep for this one, a study was done by the Royal London School of Medicine that found the typical patches, gum etc over help to only one in five people and those people only manage to stay off of the cigarettes. Shhh… We found that one on the FDA’s own website!

Or better yet, reside yourself to an early death and go the other route. That’s right! Smoke Tobacco. The proven recipe of our founding fathers altered and changed. Made more delicious and deadly. Made just to our liking. At least someone is getting their tax dollar revenue before you die. It is far safer than some propylene glycol, flavorings and nicotine. Tobacco cigarettes have been scientifically proven to kill whereas the electronic cigarette seems to be getting a hard time before the results are even in.

It all sounds scary and guess what? It is! It is a sad day when an alternative to smoking hits the world, like the electronic cigarette, and even one good doctor is quoted as saying “you are probably getting more nicotine than you would be getting in a cigarette simply because filter cigarettes tend to dilute the nicotine that is being inhaled and in this one you get the pure effects”. I especially like the “probably”.

So for those of you who are interested, there is no bleak end to the electronic cigarette future. There are currently active suppliers participating in the formation of an Electronic Cigarette Association. The first meeting will take place April 11th & 12th in Chicago. Here, the group will determine acceptable trade practices and a goal for to betterment of the industry and it’s consumers. This isn’t an unregulated group of shady back alley dealers. This is a group of ex-tobacco smokers who think that the electronic cigarette is exactly what it is, an alternative to tobacco.

A better (in my opinion) way to intake nicotine, which is a completely legal substance for adults. The electronic cigarette is not a smoking cessation device.
We are going to fight this every step of the way because well, it is ridiculous that the peacock is taking over the zoo. Sure the road is going to be bumpy. And hopefully, the Senate will take note from their fellow Congressmen who smoke e-cigs and ensure tobacco smokers have rights and options.

Happy E-Smoking!

With all of this talk regarding the FDA needing to provide approval over the electronic cigarette, many new and interesting things have arisen. First, it seems evidently clear that people are not understanding exactly what an electronic cigarette is. And not what it is as in, it’s a battery and an atomizer which is a vaporizer which are completely legal, but that the electronic cigarette is a vaporizer that can vaporize liquids that do not contain nicotine.

In several conversations, one with an elected official, one with a news reporter, and one with a customs agent, all were shocked to hear that the electronic cigarette does not magically fill itself up and that there are solutions that offer no nicotine. Classifying the electronic cigarette as a drug delivering device seems like just deciding that all chewing gum is a drug because one kind of gum has nicotine in it.

Well, this frustration led to some further research about nicotine itself. We have found it extremely interesting that when searching the FDA website, we cannot, in fact, find ANY reference to them actually having control over nicotine. When you search Nicotine, they send you to On March 21, 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration lacks the authority to regulate tobacco. Therefore, FDA no longer maintains its Children and Tobacco Website.!


In 1994, the then Director of the FDA, Dr. David Kessler, issued a statement arguing that the manipulation of nicotine makes cigarettes pharmaceuticals. It was at this point, that the FDA decided it was time to take control of the tobacco industry. In 1997, a judge ruled in favor of the FDA. That was then appealed and taken to the Supreme Court, where it was stated that the FDA has clearly stated throughout the past that it had no desire to control tobacco and that ruling overturned the earlier courts decision. This brings us to where we are now.

Nicotine is not necessarily controlled by the FDA. It does seem to have control when said company wants to make a health claim. For instance, NicoWater. Everyone remembers this as the water that could help you satisfy your nicotine cravings. Now, it is important to note that they did attempt to go homeopathic, but unfortunately, the nicotine prohibitionists decided to take action, so the lobbying against NicoWater began. Upon this outside influence, the FDA acted by claiming that NicoWater didn’t file paperwork properly and removed their approval.

The other fatal flaw in this scenario was putting NicoWater in the same cooler as regular water. It did contain nicotine, no matter how small and diluted, and any smoker can agree, it should probably not be in the reach of children. (But neither should caffeine, but that is another battle!)

Back to nicotine. So, in our travels, we were also introduced to a brilliant piece of writing by David Sweaner, Senior Council for the Non-Smokers Rights Association, who wrote a fabulous essay on Alternative Nicotine Delivery as a Harm-Reduction Strategy. Simply brilliant. This piece was presented at the American Society of Addiction Medicine Conference in 1995 & 1996 and The Health Education Authority Seminar on Alternative Delivery Systems, in 1996. Although a wee bit ahead of his time, it is fitting we should find it now, considering the Waxman Bill is getting ready to grace the Senate with it’s presence and may have unexpected implications.

Basically, what Sweaner’s essay says is that the cigarette industry has had years of a monopoly. By doing this, tobacco has been turned into a death carrier and impounded upon by the evils of addiction based profiteers. What we need to do is strip away these additives and look at nicotine for what it really is. And what it really is, is an addictive substance with far fewer health risks than it’s carrier.

By doing this, we can begin to stop demonizing nicotine users, as we certainly do not demonize coffee drinkers (even though caffeine falls into the same family as cocaine and amphetamines). We need to focus on cleaner ways of allowing people to use nicotine, without the touch of the pharmaceutical industry and the completely laxidasical haphazardnous of the tobacco industry. There needs to be a medium where nicotine users have an option that is viable for them. This medium, while needing some regulation, needs to be open for the free market so that small businesses and new ideas can be pushed out into the market. They need to focus on tobacco harm reduction which in turn, might actually get people un-addicted to nicotine. Holy Shocker! Some logic from a non-smoking crowd!

Basically: The quit or die method, should simply die.

So here we are in 2009 at the Waxman Bill. The Waxman Bill may have implications for Nicotine and the FDA. It will tell any new product emerging into the market, sure you can play but if you don’t have a maximum of $100,000,000.00 to play ball, then don’t come a knocking. To users it says: Do you enjoy nicotine? Well great! Come on over to the pharmaceutical counter and lets see what we have for ya! Here’s some Chantix. It might not get you to quit smoking, but if you fall into the category of some of the users, you will commit suicide and then all of your problems will be solved.

Op! If you commit suicide your insurance won’t cover your death? But hey, and you have to digg deep for this one, a study was done by the Royal London School of Medicine that found the typical patches, gum etc over help to only one in five people and those people only manage to stay off of the cigarettes. Shhh… We found that one on the FDA’s own website!

Or better yet, reside yourself to an early death and go the other route. That’s right! Smoke Tobacco. The proven recipe of our founding fathers altered and changed. Made more delicious and deadly. Made just to our liking. At least someone is getting their tax dollar revenue before you die. It is far safer than some propylene glycol, flavorings and nicotine. Tobacco cigarettes have been scientifically proven to kill whereas the electronic cigarette seems to be getting a hard time before the results are even in.

It all sounds scary and guess what? It is! It is a sad day when an alternative to smoking hits the world, like the electronic cigarette, and even one good doctor is quoted as saying “you are probably getting more nicotine than you would be getting in a cigarette simply because filter cigarettes tend to dilute the nicotine that is being inhaled and in this one you get the pure effects”. I especially like the “probably”.

So for those of you who are interested, there is no bleak end to the electronic cigarette future. There are currently active suppliers participating in the formation of an Electronic Cigarette Association. The first meeting will take place April 11th & 12th in Chicago. Here, the group will determine acceptable trade practices and a goal for to betterment of the industry and it’s consumers. This isn’t an unregulated group of shady back alley dealers. This is a group of ex-tobacco smokers who think that the electronic cigarette is exactly what it is, an alternative to tobacco.

A better (in my opinion) way to intake nicotine, which is a completely legal substance for adults. The electronic cigarette is not a smoking cessation device.
We are going to fight this every step of the way because well, it is ridiculous that the peacock is taking over the zoo. Sure the road is going to be bumpy. And hopefully, the Senate will take note from their fellow Congressmen who smoke e-cigs and ensure tobacco smokers have rights and options.

Happy E-Smoking!

No study or statistic has been offered that points to the Swine Flu as being more deadly than tobacco cigarettes in causing death, yet a disproportional effort in preventative measures are currently being channeled to defend against a lower risk health issue. Toxic tobacco smoke contains many additional chemicals, including carbon monoxide and tar which is a sticky substance that accumulates in the lungs, causing lung cancer and respiratory distress. Tobacco is the leading cause of preventable death in the world and is responsible for more than 5 million deaths each year.

What the flu vaccine is to H1N1 as a preventative, the electronic cigarette may be for the tobacco smoker. An electronic cigarette is a futuristic advancement in science that makes it look, feel, and taste like a tobacco cigarette, as the user duplicates the mechanical motions. It expels an almost odorless water vapor that looks like smoke, but isn't. The e cigarettes are battery-powered with a cartridge that typically contains nicotine in various levels (or none), propylene glycol and tobacco flavoring. In their October briefing, Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) in the United Kingdom released a favorable position on electronic cigarettes.

Propylene glycol, the primary ingredient in the electronic cigarette cartridge, may be a powerful deterrent against pneumonia, influenza, and other respiratory diseases when vaporized and inhaled according to a study by Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson. Decades before the e cigarette was invented, a study was conducted by Dr. Robertson of the University of Chicago's Billings Hospital in 1942 on inhalation of vaporized propylene glycol in laboratory mice. A more in-depth article was printed in the 1942 issue of TIME Magazine http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,932876,00.html for November 16th. "Dr. Robertson placed groups of mice in a chamber and sprayed its air first with propylene glycol, then with influenza virus. All the mice lived. Then he sprayed the chamber with virus alone. All the mice died."

The researchers also found that "the propylene glycol itself was a potent germicide. One part of glycol in 2,000,000 parts of air would--within a few seconds--kill concentrations of air-suspended pneumococci, streptococci and other bacteria numbering millions to the cubic foot."

Clinical trials on electronic cigarettes containing propylene glycol were carried out in New Zealand by Dr. Murray Laugeson of Health New Zealand and can be found on the website of SS Choice LLC at http://www.eCigarettesChoice.com under the tab "Media Coverage." Far from posing a threat to our health, the propylene glycol in e cigarettes might just keep us healthy. Further studies should be done on the effects of propylene glycol to determine if it can be used successfully as a virus prevention tool. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the best flu preventative was right under our noses all this time?

SOURCE SS Choice, LLC


http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx

No study or statistic has been offered that points to the Swine Flu as being more deadly than tobacco cigarettes in causing death, yet a disproportional effort in preventative measures are currently being channeled to defend against a lower risk health issue. Toxic tobacco smoke contains many additional chemicals, including carbon monoxide and tar which is a sticky substance that accumulates in the lungs, causing lung cancer and respiratory distress. Tobacco is the leading cause of preventable death in the world and is responsible for more than 5 million deaths each year.

What the flu vaccine is to H1N1 as a preventative, the electronic cigarette may be for the tobacco smoker. An electronic cigarette is a futuristic advancement in science that makes it look, feel, and taste like a tobacco cigarette, as the user duplicates the mechanical motions. It expels an almost odorless water vapor that looks like smoke, but isn't. The e cigarettes are battery-powered with a cartridge that typically contains nicotine in various levels (or none), propylene glycol and tobacco flavoring. In their October briefing, Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) in the United Kingdom released a favorable position on electronic cigarettes.

Propylene glycol, the primary ingredient in the electronic cigarette cartridge, may be a powerful deterrent against pneumonia, influenza, and other respiratory diseases when vaporized and inhaled according to a study by Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson. Decades before the e cigarette was invented, a study was conducted by Dr. Robertson of the University of Chicago's Billings Hospital in 1942 on inhalation of vaporized propylene glycol in laboratory mice. A more in-depth article was printed in the 1942 issue of TIME Magazine http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,932876,00.html for November 16th. "Dr. Robertson placed groups of mice in a chamber and sprayed its air first with propylene glycol, then with influenza virus. All the mice lived. Then he sprayed the chamber with virus alone. All the mice died."

The researchers also found that "the propylene glycol itself was a potent germicide. One part of glycol in 2,000,000 parts of air would--within a few seconds--kill concentrations of air-suspended pneumococci, streptococci and other bacteria numbering millions to the cubic foot."

Clinical trials on electronic cigarettes containing propylene glycol were carried out in New Zealand by Dr. Murray Laugeson of Health New Zealand and can be found on the website of SS Choice LLC at http://www.eCigarettesChoice.com under the tab "Media Coverage." Far from posing a threat to our health, the propylene glycol in e cigarettes might just keep us healthy. Further studies should be done on the effects of propylene glycol to determine if it can be used successfully as a virus prevention tool. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the best flu preventative was right under our noses all this time?

SOURCE SS Choice, LLC


http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx

No study or statistic has been offered that points to the Swine Flu as being more deadly than tobacco cigarettes in causing death, yet a disproportional effort in preventative measures are currently being channeled to defend against a lower risk health issue. Toxic tobacco smoke contains many additional chemicals, including carbon monoxide and tar which is a sticky substance that accumulates in the lungs, causing lung cancer and respiratory distress. Tobacco is the leading cause of preventable death in the world and is responsible for more than 5 million deaths each year.

What the flu vaccine is to H1N1 as a preventative, the electronic cigarette may be for the tobacco smoker. An electronic cigarette is a futuristic advancement in science that makes it look, feel, and taste like a tobacco cigarette, as the user duplicates the mechanical motions. It expels an almost odorless water vapor that looks like smoke, but isn't. The e cigarettes are battery-powered with a cartridge that typically contains nicotine in various levels (or none), propylene glycol and tobacco flavoring. In their October briefing, Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) in the United Kingdom released a favorable position on electronic cigarettes.

Propylene glycol, the primary ingredient in the electronic cigarette cartridge, may be a powerful deterrent against pneumonia, influenza, and other respiratory diseases when vaporized and inhaled according to a study by Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson. Decades before the e cigarette was invented, a study was conducted by Dr. Robertson of the University of Chicago's Billings Hospital in 1942 on inhalation of vaporized propylene glycol in laboratory mice. A more in-depth article was printed in the 1942 issue of TIME Magazine http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,932876,00.html for November 16th. "Dr. Robertson placed groups of mice in a chamber and sprayed its air first with propylene glycol, then with influenza virus. All the mice lived. Then he sprayed the chamber with virus alone. All the mice died."

The researchers also found that "the propylene glycol itself was a potent germicide. One part of glycol in 2,000,000 parts of air would--within a few seconds--kill concentrations of air-suspended pneumococci, streptococci and other bacteria numbering millions to the cubic foot."

Clinical trials on electronic cigarettes containing propylene glycol were carried out in New Zealand by Dr. Murray Laugeson of Health New Zealand and can be found on the website of SS Choice LLC at http://www.eCigarettesChoice.com under the tab "Media Coverage." Far from posing a threat to our health, the propylene glycol in e cigarettes might just keep us healthy. Further studies should be done on the effects of propylene glycol to determine if it can be used successfully as a virus prevention tool. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the best flu preventative was right under our noses all this time?

SOURCE SS Choice, LLC


http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx