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    Cheap Kanger coils

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    On 7/7/2016 at 3:41 AM, Christopher said:

    I'm about to head out to China in a week. If these are the most popular coils on the forum at the moment let me know. I know Danny quite well (co-owner of Kanger tech) and I'll likely have a meeting with him in Beijing. I'll see if we can't get a bunch of these in. Actually in saying that, anytime the board wants something in on the cheap and in demand, post up in the VT sub forum and I'll see about getting the stuff in :) 

    I use these coils daily. Please get some in the store :)

    FDA Deeming Regulation - What we know so far

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    On 5/13/2016 at 6:54 AM, Earthling789 said:

    Linked from the above article...  "E-cigs not as satisfying as the real thing, study finds", and this is likely one of the studies the FDA paid grant money for, and then utilized the study in their research to create the Deeming....

    First of all, the "study" was conducted in 2014 (when the CE4 and eGo were the norm), and it was conducted by researchers at the Tobacco Center of Regulatory Science (TCORS) at Georgia State University.  It wasn't even a "study"... it was a SURVEY :wallbash:

    • Survey details

    • The researchers surveyed 5,717 U.S. adults in 2014, asking questions about their awareness of e-cigarettes, use of their products, and reasons for using traditional and novel tobacco products.
    • Among the 144 former cigarette smokers who had tried e-cigarettes, nearly 30 percent (or 43 people) continued to use them as a satisfying alternative to regular cigarettes.
    • But among the 585 smokers in the study, nearly 58 percent (or 337 people) reported they found e-cigarettes unsatisfying and stopped using them. 

    Now, what I get from the numbers above... of 5717 people surveyed, only 144 were former smokers (2.5%), and 585 were active smokers (10.2%).  Starting there, the study is flawed because you're questions do not have enough base to formulate opinion.

    Secondly... This is what I see from the data:

    • 144 are former smokers, of which 30% actively use e-cigs as an alternative to smoking or cessation device.... and 70% have QUIT, possibly by using e-cigs as the tool to accomplish their task of quitting.
    • 58% of the 585 active smokers reported they didn't like e-cigs... so, does that mean that 42% DID like them, used them, and quit smoking by using e-cigs??  Well, we don't know the whole story do we?  This is because the study is flawed and obviously bias to report only the negative, not the positive outcome.  They would likely say the same thing (people don't like them) if only 20% of the smokers said they were "unsatisfying".
    • Isn't the FDA's own research showing that their "approved" cessation devices (pills/patches/gum/inhalers) only have a 20-25% success rate in smoking cessation/elimination?  This study alone proves (albeit with a small sample) that e-cig use has a higher rate of adaptation and success... but you'll not see that in an FDA report, will you?

    This is the kind of junk science that we taxpayers need to be stop funding.  This is one of the main reasons I stopped doing research and chemical testing for labs in the early 90's...  All gov't funded research is bias, or at least has a bias (suggested outcome) before the testing begins.  Data numbers always support the bias, rather than the truth, and even when you point out the positive/truth to management, you are told "to focus on the results you are paid to find" or "you don't know what you're talking about"... Well, data doesn't lie... only people do!

    According to surveys, 51% of all surveys are made up :D

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