Christopher
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Well so you don't have to purchase a whole new kit, I'd suggest picking up a cartomizer or even an atomizer. I use cartomizer personally (boge) and you'll get some great flavor out of it. The Tank system is easy an convenient, but flavor can be lacking.
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Unless I'm missing something. You could always check with the supplier you purchased them from and ask if they have extra. Worth a shot
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Start kits only come with 2. But the piece you are talking about is meant to be thrown away. They are not usually sold separately.
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Generally, carts don't work that great. They tend to not release the juice so you end up having to top it off pretty regularly. I could never get the to work.
Brian is correct most starter kits come with them but they don't work well. Almost nobody uses them anymore. We all use cartomizers or drip directly onto the atomizer.
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You'll need to be quick. Most suppliers are done shipping for the day. If they're quick (fast processing) they can ship tomorrow and it will arrive by Monday at the latest.
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just got my ego tank today. switched from blu, which didnt have anything i was looking for (throat hit, flavor, vapor production). The ego is beating that thing hands down. I wanna get some LR attys to get that vapor production even higher!! The ego is giving me so much more nicotine delivery its amazing!!!
+1 The eGo really is an awesome device
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I gave you a plus one just because your username is awesome
Those are indeed incorrect. While most 510 atomizer/items will work on the eGo the 510 tank is the exception. It's not really meant for the eGo. You CAN use it but you'll need to remove the cone. Regardless you purchased the eGo tank cartridges but the 510 Tank atomizer. If your order has not yet shipped I would contact them and ask that they change the atomizer to an eGo tank atomizer instead. It looks like this:
You'll notice it looks like the eGo cone. That's the easiest way to tell if it's correct or not.
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Yes, please do keep us updated. Perhaps even shoot me a PM. It may be due to the PACT act that was just put into law last year.
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I see what smoke stick is saying though. The FDA did state products marketed before 2007 do not require new regulation. Which leaves us pretty much with the RN4081. I would be to concerned yet as we won't know until the regulation is released. Anything after that would need to be approved by the FDA...
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Yup charge them whenever you want. These are lithium ion batteries so they can be charged anytime
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No matter where it comes from fast shipping is important
You are very welcome and thanks for the great feedback! 
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It's likely these fees will be charged to the suppliers. Though I'm not 100% sure yet what exactly for.
And aspartame....*shudders* that's some nasty stuff right there.
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I think online sales will probably stay. I mean they allow only cigar sales and I believe e cigarettes will be placed in the same category. Nothing is 100% though.
As for Taxes remember the FDA doesn't impose them. That's usually at a state level. Let's just be sure we keep an eye on our states. The moment they propose a tax we all have to band together and protest the HELL out of it.
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I love this part right here..back tracking are we?
The FDA also had said that its tests found the liquid in some electronic cigarettes contained toxic substances -- besides nicotine, which is itself toxic in large doses -- as well as carcinogens that occur naturally in tobacco. Most e-cigarettes are imported from overseas.However, some public health experts say the level of those carcinogens was comparable to those found in nicotine replacement therapy, because the nicotine in all of the products is extracted from tobacco.
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Nanny state no doubt. It will be interesting to see this roller coaster ride unfold. The states should reverse the bans as the FDA now has regulations set in place but the laws would still need to be appealed.
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I can't say publicly one way or another. We just sent it over to our lawyer. I'm confused on whether or not it considers a model a new product or the overall processes itself.
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Regulation of E-Cigarettes and Other Tobacco Products
This is directly from the FDA.
April 25, 2011
Dear Stakeholder:
The purpose of this letter is to provide stakeholders and the public with information, in light of a recent court decision, regarding the regulation of products made or derived from tobacco.
The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act of 2009 (Tobacco Control Act), which amends the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), was enacted on June 22, 2009, and it provides the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) with authority to regulate “tobacco products.” The FD&C Act, as amended by the Tobacco Control Act, defines the term “tobacco product,” in part, as any product “made or derived from tobacco” that is not a “drug,” “device,” or combination product under the FD&C Act.
Under the FD&C Act, the definition of “drug” includes articles intended: (1) for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment or prevention of disease, or (2) to affect the structure or any function of the body. Similarly, “device” is defined to include articles intended: (1) for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions, or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease, or (2) to affect the structure or any function of the body.
Between 2008 and 2010, the FDA determined that certain electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) were unapproved drug/device combination products and detained and/or refused admission to those offered for import by Sottera, Inc. and other manufacturers. Sottera, Inc. challenged that determination in court.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, in Sottera, Inc. v. Food & Drug Administration, 627 F.3d 891 (D.C. Cir. 2010), recently issued a decision with regard to e-cigarettes and other products “made or derived from tobacco” and the jurisdictional line that should be drawn between “tobacco products” and “drugs,” “devices,” and combination products, as those terms are defined in the FD&C Act. The court held that e-cigarettes and other products made or derived from tobacco can be regulated as “tobacco products” under the Act and are not drugs/devices unless they are marketed for therapeutic purposes.
The government has decided not to seek further review of this decision, and FDA will comply with the jurisdictional lines established by Sottera.
Under the Tobacco Control Act, “tobacco products” are subject to a number of controls. Section 201(rr)(4), for example, prohibits the marketing of a “tobacco product” in combination with any other article or product regulated under the FD&C Act (including a drug, biologic, food, cosmetic, medical device, or a dietary supplement). FDA has already issued a draft guidance that addresses the status of such products.
Moreover, Chapter IX of the FD&C Act subjects “tobacco products” to general controls, such as registration, product listing, ingredient listing, good manufacturing practice requirements, user fees for certain products, and adulteration and misbranding provisions. Chapter IX also subjects “new tobacco products” (i.e., products that are first marketed or modified after February 15, 2007) and “modified risk tobacco products” (i.e., products that are “sold or distributed for use to reduce harm or the risk of tobacco-related disease associated with commercially marketed tobacco products”) to premarket review. Although the statute places certain “tobacco products” immediately under the general controls and premarket review requirements in Chapter IX (i.e., cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, roll-your-own tobacco, and smokeless tobacco), it also permits FDA, by regulation, to extend those controls to other categories of “tobacco products.”
FDA plans to take the following steps to ensure that appropriate regulatory mechanisms govern all “tobacco products” and all other products made or derived from tobacco after the Sottera decision:
The Agency intends to propose a regulation that would extend the Agency’s “tobacco product” authorities in Chapter IX of the FD&C Act, which currently only apply to certain specifically enumerated “tobacco products,” to other categories of tobacco products that meet the statutory definition of “tobacco product” in Section 201(rr) of the Act. The additional tobacco product categories would be subject to general controls, such as registration, product listing, ingredient listing, good manufacturing practice requirements, user fees for certain products, and the adulteration and misbranding provisions, as well as to the premarket review requirements for “new tobacco products” and “modified risk tobacco products.”
The Sottera decision states that products made or derived from tobacco can be regulated under the Tobacco Control Act unless they are “marketed for therapeutic purposes,” in which case they are regulated as drugs and/or devices. The Agency is considering whether to issue a guidance and/or a regulation on “therapeutic” claims.
Section 201(rr)(4) of the Tobacco Control Act prohibits the marketing of “tobacco products” in combination with other FDA-regulated products. As mentioned, FDA has already issued a draft guidance on this provision, which it intends to finalize.
“Tobacco products” marketed as of February 15, 2007, which have not been modified since then are considered “grandfathered” and are not subject to premarket review as “new tobacco products.” A “tobacco product” that is not “grandfathered” is considered a “new” tobacco product, and it is adulterated and misbranded under the FD&C Act, and therefore, subject to enforcement action, unless it has received premarket authorization or been found substantially equivalent. FDA has already developed draft guidance explaining how manufacturers can request a determination from FDA that a “tobacco product” is “grandfathered.”
We look forward to working with all stakeholders to ensure that the existing authorities granted the Agency are harnessed to best protect and promote the public health.
Sincerely,
Lawrence R. Deyton, M.S.P.H., M.D.
Director
Center for Tobacco Products
Janet Woodcock, M.D.
Director
Center for Drug Evaluation and Research
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So, if they intend to regulate them like tobacco, that could possibly be the end of internet/mail-order sales?
This indeed very possible and something we're looking into. Though the FDA will regulate ecigs as tobacco they will not have the same laws. Most of those requirments are not set in place by the FDA. We will have to fight state and federal regulation and that account. I have no doubt Big Tobacco may lobby for this. Unless of course they jump on the ecig bandwagon themselves.
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For now its a positive first step for the FDA to stop fighting a battle they seem to have little basis to fight but where they go next should be closely watched.
I couldn't agree more. We're already making adjustments. Our new liquid bottles have to contain an ingredient list. Something I don't think is a bad idea. What other regulations the FDA comes up with though have peeked suppliers curiosity.
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Here is another article from the WSJ
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110425-707817.html
By Stephanie GleasonOf DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The Food and Drug Administration said Monday it won't appeal a federal court decision and will regulate electronic cigarettes as tobacco products.
The FDA wanted to regulate electronic cigarettes as drug devices, just as nicotine gum and smoking cessation products are regulated. Electronic cigarettes are battery-powered tubes that turn nicotine-laced liquid into a vapor.
However, a decision in January by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit stated the FDA instead should regulate electronic cigarettes as tobacco products, not as drug devices. Regulation as drug devices would have required e-cigarettes to go through a pre-market approval process.
The FDA, in a statement, said "The government has decided not to seek further review of this decision, and FDA will comply with the jurisdictional lines established by (the circuit court decision.)"
Monday was the deadline for the FDA to try to appeal the decision to the Supreme Court.
Regulated as tobacco products, e-cigarettes can't be marketed with other FDA-regulated products such as food, cosmetics, medical devices or dietary supplements. They will be subject to registration requirements, ingredient listing, good manufacturing practices and user fees, among other regulations.
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That's something that will be left up to the states to decide. The FDA cannot impose a tax.
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By MICHAEL FELBERBAUM AP Tobacco Writer
RICHMOND, Va. April 25, 2011 (AP)
The Food and Drug Administration said Monday it plans to regulate smokeless electronic cigarettes as tobacco products and won't try to regulate them under stricter rules for drug-delivery devices.
The federal agency said in a letter to stakeholders Monday that it intends to propose rule changes to treat e-cigarettes the same traditional cigarettes and other tobacco products.
The news is considered a victory for makers and distributors of the devices, which continue to gain popularity worldwide.
E-cigarettes are plastic and metal devices that heat a liquid nicotine solution in a disposable cartridge, creating vapor that the "smoker" inhales. A tiny light on the tip even glows like a real cigarette.
Users and distributors say e-cigarettes address both the nicotine addiction and the behavioral aspects of smoking — the holding of the cigarette, the puffing, seeing the smoke come out and the hand motion — without the more than 4,000 chemicals found in cigarettes.
First marketed overseas in 2002, e-cigarettes didn't become easily available in the U.S. until late 2006. Now, the industry has grown from the thousands of users in 2006 to several million worldwide, with tens of thousands new e-smokers every week.
No timeline has been set on the proposed rule changes.
The FDA said e-cigarettes could still be regulated as drugs or drug-delivery devices if they are "marketed for therapeutic purposes," — for example, as a stop-smoking aid.
Jason Healy, president of e-cigarette maker Blu Cigs, called the news a good first step, but said the pending rule changes will be more beneficial for "weeding out the shady companies."
Right now, "you can potentially sell snake oil," Healy said.
Nearly 46 million Americans smoke cigarettes. About 40 percent try to quit each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But unlike nicotine patches or gums, e-smokes have operated in a legal gray area.
The FDA lost a court case last year after trying to treat e-cigarettes as drug-delivery devices, rather than tobacco products, because e-cigarettes heat nicotine extracted from tobacco. It had until Monday to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.
In December, a federal appeals court ruled electronic cigarettes should be regulated as tobacco products by the FDA rather than as drug-delivery devices, which have more stringent requirements such as expensive clinical trials to prove the products are safe and effective as a stop-smoking aid.
Some sellers of e-cigarettes sued the FDA in 2009 after the agency told customs officials to refuse entry of shipments into the U.S. A federal judge ruled that the FDA can't stop those shipments, saying the agency had overstepped its authority.
Last September, the FDA issued warning letters to several makers of electronic cigarettes or its components, saying the companies are violating the law with unsubstantiated health claims and poor manufacturing practices.
The FDA also had said that its tests found the liquid in some electronic cigarettes contained toxic substances — besides nicotine, which is itself toxic in large doses — as well as carcinogens that occur naturally in tobacco. Most e-cigarettes are imported from overseas.
However, some public health experts say the level of those carcinogens was comparable to those found in nicotine replacement therapy, because the nicotine in all of the products is extracted from tobacco.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=13453151
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In short, this is great news - for now - essentially the FDA publicly announced that it is conceding to Njoy's victory in the lawsuit, and will NOT be filing a petition for review by the Supreme Court.
I'm sure there are other battles ahead, particularly what type of regulation they will conjure up. My guess is it's going to be very strict and the strong will survive the weak. I have no doubt the FDA will start targeting small operation liquid makers. Doesn't mean they'll be closed down, just mean they may have to setup facilities following strict FDA guidelines. (Which for the consumer is a good thing)
Regardless for now, this is good news.
Thanks to Mark for being the first one to make me aware this was in the press today.
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All you need as an eGo kit. Add some 510 cartomizers and your golden
wallah, 2 piece unit. ( I prefer 2pc better too) -
hmm good point and something I didn't think about. Though I usually charge via a hub and not dirctly to the machine.
I'm Not Liking My 510-Tanks, What Else Should I Try
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The power does drop from the 510 quickly on an LR but it will not drop the flavor much. The hotter the atomizer (LR) the more Vapor you'll get but the less flavor. The reason for this is because the flavor burns up fast than the PG/VG.