Well, I was wondering how long it was going to be before some ignorant jackass told me "YOU CAN'T SMOKE IN HERE!", and it didn't take long -- I was sitting in Starbucks this morning enjoying a cup of coffee and my new eGo.
So there's some grouchy old man sitting at the next table, and he sees me puffing on my eGo and decides to make a spectacle -- "EXCUSE ME, BUT THERE'S NO SMOKING IN HERE! PUT IT OUT!"
Of course, I don't take very kindly to people approaching me in such a rude fashion, not to mention the fact that I wasn't smoking anything. So, I tell him, "You're mistaken, this is not a cigarette, it's a personal vaporizer -- this is not smoke, it's vapor."
"Well I don't give a rat's ***, I can smell it and you'd better stop it!" (You know, because vapor and smoke smell exactly the same. )
I wasn't going to argue with the guy, it was obvious he cares nothing about facts; so I continued vaping and enjoying my coffee, so he goes up to one of the baristas and decides to make a big spectacle of things, telling the barista that, "This guy is over here smoking and you need to tell him to stop." Upon hearing it, I immediately went up to the counter to show the barista that it indeed was not a cigarette, and was only vapor. The barista obviously wanted no parts of getting in the middle of this, and ignored the man's requests, and walked off to clean up behind the counter. The old man, apparently annoyed by the barista not scolding me, got all huffy and decided to leave, which is fine by me...
It's not my intent to go around trying to piss people off with this thing, but I'm also not going to tuck my tail, run, and cower to some ignorant fool who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, nor has any inclination to educate himself.
So, my point for starting this thread -- how do the rest of you deal with these ignorant folks who inevitably will try to rain on your parade?
Thing is, I don't view just quietly sitting in a corner and vaping as "making a scene" -- it was the old grouchy a-hole that made the scene. Nothing I was doing was interfering with anyone's quiet enjoyment of the Starbucks. Apparently the Starbucks people didn't have a problem with me doing it, because I showed them my eGo and they didn't say, "I'm sorry, but you can't use that in here"... It was more like a, "Screw this, I don't want to get involved with this disagreement."
On one hand, I see shamelessly vaping as exercising my rights -- I'm not harming a single soul by vaping, and they just need to educate themselves and deal. On the other hand, it'd be simpler if I just relegated myself to where smokers go to smoke, but I view that as laying down and rolling over to the uneducated grouches that want to try and make mountains out of molehills, so I'm torn as to what approach to take.
WHAT!!??MODS????? Darn it. I don't have any of those yet! I haven't even considered them. I'm sooooo behind. I must not be prepared for the Vapor apocalypse. The end must be near. NO, I'm not prepared. Where do you even begin with those?
Must buy more stuff now.
i have gotten in the habit of unscrewing the battery before bed, and on occasion in my car but for the most part im with you, im using it too much to keep unscrewing the battery, as for a shut off, i dont know lol, im the newbie
Ya, eGo batteries are good. I've had my original 650mAh for almost 6 months now. The other one in my starter set lasted a while too. 4 months I think. I also have a 900mAh one I use now. Keeping batteries in rotation helps. And charging "full" after each time they blink, needing recharged. (Charge full to dead each time.) Never had a button stick. So far anyway. I hear it happens once in a while. The plastic buttons are covers for the circuit board switch inside, and that switch is really tiny. The eGo's hold a charge for a long time so they work pretty good!
thank you Uma, i was under the impression that the eGo didnt require that, but i will do that before bed from now on, cant do it in the day because it seems to be a new toy for me and i can seem to put it down just yet lol... bad bad, i think im playing with it far too much lol
CASAA members,
Here is a copy of the CASAA follow-up letter sent to all of the representatives on the Utah House Business and Labor Committee. Elaine Keller and Kristin Noll-Marsh drafted this letter yesterday and sent it out last night. Personally, I think that the letter is brilliant. As many of you may or may not know, Rep. Ray (the sponsor of HB 170) has vowed to attempt to reintroduce this bill. If you would like to write a letter or make a phone call, go to the CASAA UT Call to Action page for talking points and contact information. It is also worth noting that, unlike many other states, the UT legislators have requested that we send correspondence via e-mail.
I also want to take this opportunity to thank Jacinda Ross, Aaron Frazier, Julie Woessner, Treece Clewell, Greg Conley, Elaine Keller and Kristin Noll-Marsh for all of their hard work in Utah. But, we are not out of the woods yet as long as Rep. Ray is still on the war path. Keep up the good work everyone.
Sincerely,
Ron WardCASAA Director
Dear Representative:The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (CASAA) sincerely thanks you for voting AGAINST H.B. 170 - Tobacco and Nicotine Product Amendments. We request that the members who voted FOR the proposal reconsider their opinion about smoke-free products, based on correcting the confusion introduced during the February 25 public testimony. Many of those who testified about health risks were referring to the effects of cigarettes and smoking. However, H.B. 170 concerned smoke-free products that many smokers have been able to use as a replacement for smoking. If smokers who cannot or will not quit were provided with truthful information-that switching to a smoke-free product could reduce their risks of smoking-related disease by up to 99%--many, many lives could be saved. The 2009 Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act directed the FDA to establish requirements for identifying "reduced exposure" and "modified risk" tobacco products. Any tobacco product that is not combusted reduces exposure to the tar, carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of chemicals found in smoke. "Modified risk" products will need to demonstrate that they reduce harm or the risk of tobacco-related disease.Amy Sands testified: "These are cancer-causing, toxic products. There's no doubt - all sorts of scientific research to prove that smokeless tobacco products like these addict and they kill."Ms. Sands may be confused by older epidemiological studies on products that delivered higher quantities of harmful substances than current versions of these products. Nevertheless, even those earlier products eliminated the lung disease that is triggered by inhaling smoke. They also carried lower risks of cardiovascular disease and cancer than smoking.While there is zero scientific evidence that modern smokeless tobacco products cause cancer or kill the user in any other manner, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Snus, a moist powder tobacco product, was developed in Sweden for the express purpose of reducing the health risks faced by smokers. Snus is processed to deliver lower concentrations of Tobacco-specific Nitrosamines (TSNAs) than traditional smokeless tobacco products. Foulds, Ranstrom, Burke, and Fagerstrom reviewed the evidence on the effects of snus on smoking and health in Sweden. They concluded, "It is dependence forming, but does not appear to cause cancer or respiratory diseases."Foulds, et al. Effect of smokeless tobacco (snus) on smoking and public health in Sweden. Tobacco Control 2003;12:349-359. http://www.tobaccoprogram.org/pdf/TC12349.pdf Lee and Hamling reviewed 89 studies on cancer risk of smokeless tobacco and concluded, "Risk from modern products is much less than for smoking."Lee, et al. Systematic review of the relation between smokeless tobacco and cancer in Europe and North America. BMC Medicine 2009, 7:36. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/7/36 Peter Lee's most recent review of the evidence concludes: "Using snus is clearly much safer than smoking. While smoking substantially increases the risk of cancer and cardiovascular diseases, any increase from snus use is undemonstrated, and if it exists is probably about 1% of that from smoking."Lee, PN. Summary of the epidemiological evidence relating snus to health. Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2010 Dec 14. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21163315Electronic cigarettes are relatively new products; however, they have been available since 2003. There have been no deaths and no reports of any serious adverse events associated with electronic cigarettes anywhere in the world. Surveys show that over 90% of users report that their health has improved.Heavner, et al. Electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) as potential tobacco harm reduction products: Results of an online survey of ecigarette users. Tobacco Harm Reduction 2010 Yearbook. http://tobaccoharmreduction.org/wpapers/011v1.pdf The dissolvable tobacco products are even newer, so there is no published research on product safety. However, given the fact that the products are not smoked and that they contain levels of carcinogens on par with pharmaceutical nicotine products, it is most likely that their safety profile will be similar that of snus and electronic cigarettes. Representative Ray stated, "We know that one third of kids who start using these are going to die at some point in their life from the use of tobacco." This statistic refers to smoking, not to the use of modern smokeless tobacco products. Source: CDC, "Projected Smoking-Related Deaths Among Youth - United States," MMWR, 45(44), November 8, 1996. Utah PTA Health Commissioner Liz Zentner commented about electronic cigarettes, "The problem is that a lethal dose of nicotine for children is 10 mg and one of those cartridges contains 500 to over 1000 mg."This is false. Cartridges may contain nicotine that has been purified (pharmaceutical grade), but the content is not "pure nicotine." A cartridge contains no more than one gram (1000 mg) of a liquid solution of water, propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycerin, flavoring, and (optionally) nicotine. The "high dose" cartridges typically contain less than 2% of actual nicotine (20 mg) and the solution is soaked into an absorbent material, which would make it nearly impossible for a child to "drink" from the cartridge.More than one speaker mentioned accidental poisoning of children by tobacco products. Given the fact that over 70% of tobacco product poisonings are caused by eating cigarettes, butts, and cigars, it does not appear that banning flavored smokeless tobaccos would have solved the already existing issue of accidental ingestion. Not only would HB 170 have NOT solved that problem, it would have practically ensured that many children would remain exposed to second-hand smoke as well as to cigarettes, butts, and cigars, because smoking relatives would have been denied access to a variety of acceptable smoke-free alternative. Additionally, 1,307 poisonings were caused by pharmaceutical nicotine products, yet there is no effort to ban the sale of the Mint, Fresh Mint, Cinnamon Surge, Cherry, White Ice, and Fruit Chill flavors of Nicorette products. The Nicorette lozenges look, smell, and taste much more like candy than the flavored dissolvable tobacco orbs. http://www.aapcc.org/dnn/Portals/0/correctedannualreport.pdfCASAA shares the concern for the safety of children. Parents should always keep any product that contains nicotine-including FDA-approved products such as patches, lozenges, and gum-out of the reach of pets and children. CASAA strongly supports prohibiting the sale of these adult products to underage youth and encourages regulating packaging and advertising to reduce potential accidents.There is no evidence that adding flavorings to tobacco products induces children to start smoking. Conrad, Flay, and Hill reviewed 27 studies regarding onset of cigarette smoking. Major factors that govern initiation of smoking include low socioeconomic states, peer and school bonding, parental example, and peer smoking approval.Conrad, et al. "Why children start smoking cigarettes: predictors of onset. " Br J Addict. 1992 Dec;87(12):1711-24. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1490085 There is also no evidence that kids tend to start with smokeless tobacco products and "graduate" to smoking. If smoke-free products are a gateway, the gate swings away from smoking. Ranstrom and Foulds found, "Among men who used snus as a single aid, 66% succeeded in quitting completely, as compared with 47% of those using nicotine gum (OR 2.2, 95% CI 1.3 to 3.7) or 32% for those using the nicotine patch (OR 4.2, 95% CI 2.1 to 8.6). Women using snus as an aid were also significantly more likely to quit smoking successfully than those using nicotine patches or gum."Ramström, et al. "Role of snus in initiation and cessation of tobacco smoking in Sweden." Tobacco Control 15:210-214. http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/15/3/210.abstract The same thing is true of electronic cigarettes. Smokers are switching to electronic cigarettes, not vice versa. Success rates for achieving complete abstinence from smoking range as high as 80%. Those users who enjoy pleasant flavors soon lose their taste for smoking and have no urges to smoke. Claims that adult smokers would not want these flavors are based on mistaken assumption and not actual research. Surveys have shown that thousands of middle-aged users find the non-tobacco flavors to be a key factor for successfully substituting electronic cigarettes for smoking.Recent studies show that smoking quit rates have stalled and start rates are again increasing in youth. Many of these tobacco users may choose smokeless products over smoking if given accurate information about the relative risks. If HB 170 had succeeded in removing or banning low-risk smokeless tobacco products, it would have forced new and existing users to purchase only the most hazardous products available on the market. Given the enormous health risks of smoking, is it ethical to create barriers to products that carry very low disease risks and are highly acceptable replacements for smoking?If you have any questions or concerns about smokeless alternatives please do not hesitate to contact us. We would be happy to provide you with additional scientific research reports which support the urgent need to not only keep these smokeless products available to adult tobacco users, but to also design tobacco regulation to educate and encourage smokers to switch to reduced harm alternatives.Sincerely,Yolanda Villa, Esq.CASAA Legal Director585-267-5458 yvilla@gmail.com Theresa A. Whitt, MDCASAA Medical Director325-370-9868 theresa.whitt@yahoo.com
That's sooo awesome for you to offer. I should be able to make it thru till it gets here. RY4 is better than nothing. Just not my fav flavor. Really though, thanks for the offer!!!
If you are in the Detroit metro area, I could meet you at a Starbucks and give you some liquid tomorrow. I have a bunch of stuff I don't like that you might like, or heck, I could even part with some of my great Vapor Talk liquids for a Michigander in need. Let me know. Vape on!
Oh you mean like the ones where the girls are covered in make-up??? Yea i don't think i would go that far either, but if it's something minor like this i have no problem. But yea this is what the world is coming to unfortunately
My PVs are both eGo's (the regular one and the tank) so I guess that would be a 510, and VT hands down, although I've never ordered from the other guys. But Chris takes care of ya like family.
That's the best part though. He wants the interviews to be assuming. Interviewing 'adults' wouldn't produce the same humorous statements, or would it?! : ) Check out his other videos on other topics.
I think you would get the same response from any state. 99% of the people he questioned were very young people. Most younger people's minds are not on World issues. I can remember a little bit from my much younger years, (not a lot, too long ago) but I do remember that World issues were very, very low on my list of importance. I wish he would have interviewed some older folks.
Thanks for posting the video Chris. It was very entertaining.
i feel very lucky i was invited to take pics with friends and family of obama at portland airport on friday little old me from vancouver washington dont know if i should ware my ego they might take it away from me what to do what to do !!!!!!
I guess it's safe to assume that you seriously like yourself some Obama ! So that's nice to still see that people are still supporting him 'no matter what happens'!
I guess it's safe to assume that you seriously like yourself some Obama ! So that's nice to still see that people are still supporting him 'no matter what happens'!
I think he did try the ecig and he loved it, but his big supporters (pharmo, tobacco, and people in charge of tax revenue) encouraged him not to make it public. So he is vaping in the Oval Office behind closed doors. Mums the word! I think his favorite juice is Boba's Bounty with a drop or two of Mocha Java. LOL
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