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awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, LOL, that is funny. I am laughing for real. Really though, I really only mean to convey MY experience. If anyone else agrees with me, which I know Todd does, hey, that is cool....but I am not trying to talk anyone into buying anything. HOWEVER, I DO like the excellent customer support and I do like that the flavors are mixed to order and he will bend over backwards to make you satisfied with your purchase. I bet if you told him you wanted quintuple flavor he would do it. He just puts the obvious options on the order form part. He will also duplicate other flavors you have to the best of his ability.....like I have this cappuccino that I want duplicated and kicked up a notch, I am sending it to him to see what he can come up with. I mean how many other places will do that? I am sure there are some, but personally I don't know them. We all like different things....and what appeals to one person doesn't appeal to another. If we all liked the same thing this would be easy....we wouldn't all be trying a hundred different flavors from as many vendors. But I REALLY appreciate the EXCELLENT customer service and that he genuinely seems to want you to be happy with your purchase. The thing is that vendors who sell premixed liquid can't do much for you.....they are just selling something made by someone else, so I rather deal with someone who can actually DO something for me. I hope that made sense, LOL. BTW, what flavors did you order? I want to try the watermelon!!! If it is anything like the grape that would be awesome. My husband's grape is already half gone. I only used ONE carto worth, it was sooooo good and I am not even into fruity flavors so much. But I am thinking that the watermelon might be just like watermelon bubbalicios....because that is how the grape is, like grape bubble gum. It is weird, but it tastes juicy....if that makes ANY sense, LOL.

He always sends a notification of when it is shipped, and from that point it is never more than two days for me...it is all shipped priority. I think it says to allow 2-3 days for mixing, but so far I haven't had to wait that long.....I think when I have ordered in the evening it has always shipped the next day, and if I order early in the day I get the shipping notification later that day. Of course I may have been lucky that I ordered on less busy days, who knows.

That is bizarre, you should write him because something is wrong....I have never waited longer than 2 days...VR is in CA, and I am in IL It took me awhile for ANYTHING to taste right. Another thing is that the flavors I like vaping are not necessarily things I like to eat. Same for my husband. He NEVER eats fruit but he LOVES vaping fruit flavors. I vape the smoother stuff, like heath bar, pumkiccino, cappuccino, white chocolate mixed with various stuff, and in real life I eat tons of fruit, but I don't care to vape it much. I like the way the flavors taste, and I will vape a carto worth, but that's about it.

I agree with the others....if they are refusing a refund and almost all of them have a no refund policy anyway, only exchange, I would exchange it 20 times if that is how long it took to getting a working device. The important thing is smoking less, or hopefully not smoking at all. I use devices with KR808 fittings, and only cartos, so can't help with attys, but I could help with liquid.....if that would help you? Please private message me and let me know. Everything I have is 16-18 mg...either all pg or 80/20 pg/vg. I would be happy to help you out if you need liquids....I have lots of empty bottles and liquids I can share or that we aren't using that you may like. If I can be of any help, let me know. I smoked 2-3ppd for 30 yrs, and if I can stop smoking, anyone can.....I NEVER would have believed I could stop so easily and have no interest in going back.

THIS is the MOST important thing. In IL last year it was easy because only a few were against an e cig ban....so I voted against every single person that I could who supported a ban. Not only did I do that but I wrote every single person in my address book (a lot of non smokers who SUPPORT my vaping) and made them aware of this idiocy. I also plastered it on myspace and facebook. I have NOTHING against the bans barring kids from buying this stuff, but anything that applies to adults is ridiculous....we can decide for ourselves what products to purchase. If you don't use your voice (which is your vote) then you really can't complain when these people that are supposed to be representing us pass laws we don't like. I also make it VERY clear in my emails that I will know who is actually looking out for me and who is not and I will vote accordingly. That is all they care about.....their perceived "power" and they want to keep it. I wrote and sent TONS of email last year to the senators and reps in IL and made it clear I would know who supported the ban and who did not...and then I followed through in the mid term elections. You have to make it your business to know what stand all these people have on the issues you care about...not just the vaping, but anything that is important to you. I know a lot of people feel that their vote is only one vote and it doesn't matter....but if EVERYONE thought that way then no one would vote. You might be one, but combined with other it becomes thousands and many more. We have to stop being complacent and just complaining but doing nothing. It takes time to write letters, make phone calls, etc. but if we don't we have no right to complain. You have to channel that passion into a useful action. (and I am not saying that this applies to anyone here, it is just a general statement). Just my opinion.

I agree, same here.....We bought tons of stuff the first several months. But really now all we buy is liquid. We are upgrading devices and getting mods....our one year vaping anniversary gift to ourselves. But really, even if vaping cost a little more I would still do it. I was paying a little over $4 a pack for smokes, so not really high like some places. We didn't start vaping with the idea that it would cost less. Now it is costing much less, but in the beginning with the acquiring of batteries and trying to find liquid you really like, it can easily be more, depending of course how many devices you accumulate. No matter what it is worth the money to not be smoking....something I thought I would NEVER achieve.

If you want to use your 808 cartos you can buy the exact same Riva battery but with an 808 fitting. Cigeasy.com has the Elegant Easy which is a 750mah battery with an 808 fitting...I have the brushed gold one and like it a lot. They also have the XXL elegant easy which is a 1300mah battery with an 808 fitting....uses all the same 808 cartos. I fill up a bunch of cartos in advance, I don't refill until they run dry or if I want some other flavor. I have been vaping without the white end cap and using a drip tip instead which increases the air flow A LOT and you get a lot more TH as well as more flavor and vapor. I love vaping with the drip tip too....got the transparent ones at alvinecigs.com ....only 2.49 a piece...because of the way they are shaped, if you drip liquid in them, it runs down the sides right into the filler and works great for topping off the liquid if you don't want to switch cartos, which is what I have been doing. I have some other drip tips, but they have a straight hole in the middle which doesn't work well with a carto because then it goes down the middle part where you DON'T want liquid. But the other drip tips work perfectly with a carto. The air flow with out the cap on is much better too, so you don't have to draw nearly as hard. I have no interest in dripping, I vape way too much, I would have to drip literally every minute. I timed how many drags/draws I take and if I only got like 4-6 that is a minute or 90 seconds at most....it would be insane for me to drip. I love the elegant easy batteries, for what they are. Now that I have used my cartos on mods at a higher voltage I am just going to switch to mods, which I should have done a LONG time ago!! I am glad you figured out the problem and are having better luck!!

That is why I stealth vape. I never started in order to get around no smoking laws. BUT companies like Smoking Anywhere MARKET their products that way....to be used anywhere and everywhere. We vape around our kids, and if I was worried about what is exhaled I would just swallow it. There is no need to exhale vapor or to antagonize people. People are generally opposed to things they don't understand, and are unfamiliar with. However, my husband is a professional musician and plays in clubs, and in the clubs they have NO problem with vaping. I can't tell you how many smokers come up asking about the e cig and then i am writing down a dozen url's and websites for them. I have even run into the same people again when they play at the same clubs where the people now have their own e cig. They wouldn't have had I not been vaping. Mind you that normally when he plays I am sitting right near the stage, which is normally in the vicinity of the bar. The owners have never cared, not in a single club. So I don't consider it inappropriate and especially not when it ends up helping other people. Even non smokers who have sat right next to me have remarked how cool it is. Maybe it is the setting, that people in a club are in a more relaxed state of mind. Prior to non smoking laws they sat there surrounded by smoke whether they smoked or not, so perhaps they are just glad it isn't stinky smoke. But to me it totally depends on the setting. Another example is the beach....you aren't allowed to smoke on Chicago beaches now, but I sit there vaping and no one cares at all....it is the open air, there is NO WAY anyone is sitting close enough to me to inhale ANYTHING. We have neighbors that barbecue all the time, like almost every single day, even now when it is just above freezing, well I always have a window at least cracked, and when it is below 80, they are open....we have had OUR indoor smoke detectors set off because of the smoke from their smokers and grills going as well as outdoor fireplace....>THAT is TONS of toxins, and do you think they would stop using their smokers and grills and fireplaces???? One time, very casually I mentioned that our smoke detector had gone off, and they thought it was funny. I wasn't complaining it was just a casual conversation about how much they love grilling. And these houses are NOT close together at all.....but if the wind is blowing from a certain direction, it all blows right into our house. Anyway, other people should have HALF the consideration as smokers do for other people. So I am not going to be overly worried about vaping. On the other hand I don't try to aggravate or antagonize other people either. So it just depends a lot on the setting and place. My parents don't mind at all if I vape in their home, but smoking was never permitted. But again, just depends. But I NEVER blow clouds of vapor in a public place, I either exhale that it can't be seen or I swallow it.

I shake all liquid like crazy. I noticed when I mix darker liquid into lighter liquid, you can see the darker stuff just floating there in a big blob....which leads me to believe that light colored flavors do that same, you just can't see it like you can with contrasting colors. Thankfully, I learned this very early on....but on the occasions when I don't shake a bottle I notice it does taste different. So as a general rule when I pick up a bottle I shake it, even if I used it ten minutes earlier...not like it will hurt to shake it. I also noticed with a liquid where I use two diff cappuccino flavors from two vendors, if the bottle sits a couple days, it is darker at the bottom of the bottle....so different flavors definitely settle, etc. Don't know what it is, if flavor, nic, pg, vg separate from each other or what, but they definitely need to be mixed, I figure I may as well do it every time...now it is just a habit.

I always get 80/20 pg/vg, so I don't think it is the pg....BUT I ALWAYS shake the bottles. Even when I am refilling a carto, like adding to it....I shake it, even if I just shook it 10 mins earlier..just habit. When I mixed the pumkiccino, the cappuccino, when you add that in is a darker liquid and it floats like a blob in the lighter colored liquids....which leads me to believe the lighter ones do the same, I just can't see it because there is no contrast in color, so clearly it needs to be shaken. AND I also know from mixing stuff in totally clear bottles, if you leave them sit for like a week, the liquids separate on their own, so they really do need to be shaken. But I have seen this with liquids from other places that come in clear bottles as well. I like that VR doesn't use clear bottles, because you don't want them in sunlight and all that and so obviously a dark or not clear bottle helps with keeping the juice fresh. I haven't had any chemical taste with ANY liquid from anywhere EXCEPT the grape from Ms T's....it was SO bad that we threw it out....when I dumped it in the sink the smell was even stronger of chemical. It was gross, I wouldn't even give it away because it really seemed like something was wrong with it. Anyway, everyone is different, and taste is obviously subjective. Also it depends what you have recently eaten or drank and I have noticed that sometimes flavors taste bad if vaped right after a totally different flavor, so I have to vape a few minutes to get rid of aftertaste from a previous liquid. I too have had nothing but good luck with VR, but that doesn't mean everyone else will share my opinion. I never even say that anyone SHOULD order from them. I love what I have gotten from them. I also LOVE that you can write Jason and he WILL do whatever to make things right. MY VERY first order I got Pumpkin and Pumpkin Spice. So I vaped the pumpkin spice first and LOVED it,...then I vaped the pumpkin and blah, it was okay, but compared to the pumpkin spice, no thanks. I mean there was nothing WRONG with it, just with the two I loved the one and not the other. So I wrote him because I thought maybe I could buy whatever the "spice" part was of the pumpkin spice, just so I could mix it in and then love both bottles. So he wrote back RIGHT AWAY and said with my next order to remind him and he would just GIVE me a bottle of pumpkin spice to make up for my not liking the pumpkin. I mean who does that????? So I was really impressed and I ordered a couple more flavors to try out and sure enough he tossed in the pumpkin spice. He is in CA, I am all the way in IL and I have EVERYTHING in two days. So I am VERY happy, but that does NOT mean EVERYONE will have the same experience. There are vendors where tons of people rave about the liquid and I get the same stuff, same level of nic, and I think it sucks....so obviously everyone isn't going to love the same thing. When I am raving about MY experience it is exactly that....MY experience, and/or my husband's. Ask Nina/Beans all the flavors I sent her from tons of different vendors, and gonna send her even more....it happens you get flavors you don't like that others love and sometimes you even love them but after awhile they just don't do it. It is all subjective. I don't want anyone feeling like my review was meant to persuade them to buy something...I was merely relating my experience, that is all. I have absolutely NO stake in anyone ordering from anywhere. I am not a supplier nor am I employed by or affiliated with any supplier. But I do love the VR flavors I have gotten, some more than others, some are great mixing flavors for me, like the white choc and the bavarian cream, some I love more on their own.....and then it depends on the day and the mood I am in. But I felt bad when I read the one thing, I believe from Aimee.....I feel like she felt like I had talked her into ordering and then she didn't like it and I felt bad. I really hope you write to Jason because I think he will try to rectify the situation. OR it may be that something a particular vendor uses can just taste bad to a person. We ALL have different body chemistry and things will taste different to different people. Anyway, again, just my opinions.

I just stealth vape wherever I don't feel comfortable using my e cig, for whatever reason. I just swallow the vapor since I don't NEED to exhale it. And I use a device I can easily conceal in my hand, like my 808 riva-ish battery. The only light on it is the LED on the button that you really can't see when it is positioned down and I push it with my thumb. It is short so it easily fits in my hand. No one would know if I was using some type of medical inhaler or what the heck it was since I swallow the vaper. Usually I vape in public and don't go out of my way to hide it, but I NEVER blow like clouds of vapor out in the open or anything. I understand I can't smoke in pubic and never even tried to smoke in public. Vaping isn't smoking. This comment is idiotic......"Some e-cigarette distributors have touted their convenience because they can be "smoked" anywhere traditional cigarettes are not allowed" They shouldn't even use the word SMOKED....It should have been worded that "some e cig distributors have touted their convenience because they can be USED where traditional cigarettes are not allowed" Anyway, we should each do what we are comfortable doing and if told not to do it, or even asked not to do it, then don't do it. I have total respect for rules, and other people determining what is permitted on or in their property. Personally I don't allow people to have shoes on my furniture. My parents make EVERYONE remove shoes when they come into their home, even repair people, OR they have to put shoe covers on, which my parents provide....so I have no problem with rules on property that doesn't belong to me. I mean, many stores don't allow you to eat or drink in them, nobody has a fit about that, at least not that I have seen. When you come down to it, a restaurant, store, mall, hospital, dr's office, etc is PRIVATE property....it is not public just because other people are there. An airplane or airport for that matter is also private property and if they say no smoking or no vaping, oh well. I wouldn't really have a problem with no vaping in places where no smoking is allowed. I do think it is silly, but if it makes the zealots feel better, fine. When I smoked I had to follow those rules as well.....at least with this we CAN sneak into a washroom or stealth vape since it doesn't smell. I didn't start vaping with the idea that I could do it anywhere. I just don't want them to ban it, that's all. Just my opinion.

Propylene glycol IS an organic compound as well.... wikipedia has very detailed info as to WHAT it is.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

No, it tastes like a gum grape...I don't know how old you are, but you know that rope gum? It is like 18 inches long, and about as thick as an ego battery, and like it would say the flavor on the wrapper over and over. THAT is what it tastes like. But it is in a good way, like it literally makes my mouth water, and I am not normally into fruity flavors. My husband is the grape fanatic and has grape from literally at least a dozen places....and V4L had a good grape that I would say was a cross between a gum/real grape but then suddenly the liquid totally changed....and the bottle was different, the shape of it, everything...diff label...SO obviously they got some other supplier. My husband HATED it. It was just the premixed stuff where you only get to choose strength, not anything they mix themselves. So I guess they started getting it from a new place, but there was NOTHING anywhere that you would have at least been prepared for that when you ordered....so it really irritated him. The weird thing was that he really wanted something to taste like a real grape but now he loves this. You can smell it before you even open the bottle and it tastes EXACTLY how it smells. But yes, definitely like a grape gum....but not like a jolly rancher. Like Grape bubble yum or bubblicious? The gum grape is different than the candy grape to me....this tastes just like that gum. Hope that helps!

We didn't start spending less, let alone saving money until about the 4th month....it takes time to get devices, figure out what works best, have plenty of back ups on everything AND to experiment with flavors to find stuff you like. In the year we estimate about 45% savings. BUT even if we saved NOTHING and it cost exactly the same we would vape. Had nothing to do with saving money.

I think a lot of it also has to do with your taste changing after a couple months of not smoking. The flavors I liked the first couple months of smoking I don't use at all now. Once you get your taste back after not smoking for awhile I think preferences change dramatically. The first couple months I was using several different flavors, and suddenly no longer found them satisfying. I don't know if I just got used to them or what the problem was.....they just did nothing for me. Then it took another couple months of trying different flavors from all over the place to arrive at something I enjoyed. Then the last few weeks I have been going through it again.....finding new flavors that I am loving...I think it is an ongoing journey with the flavors. Good luck, I hope with the suggestions you find something you like!

You should definitely write him, because they will do whatever they can to help you.....write and tell him each thing you wrote here. I don't know what nicotine does as far as flavor. Even though it says the liquid is flavorless, it is still a chemical and it could affect flavor, I would think. I get migraines too....they suck. BUT I still got them even at times I didn't smoke and didn't have any nicotine at all in my system and for that matter I got them as a teenager before I smoked....so they weren't in any way caused by nicotine evidently. The double dutch chocolate, if you read my first review, I don't remember my exact wording but that is definitely a flavor that gets better as you vape it.....you also have to shake it up.....I didn't have any chemicalish taste though. The white chocolate I mix with the capp, with the DD choc, with the pumpkin spice, etc. Same with Bavarian creme. i would vape them alone, but they are great for mixing with other stuff. I just ordered two more bottles of white chocolate because I mix it with everything. The two VT flavors I had did nothing for me....the grape soda was a very weak flavor, and sort of had a dusty taste to it, sorta reminded me of really weak kool aid, and the choco java I thought was an okay flavor, but it is on the weak side too. If it was possible to get extra flavoring in the choco java I would probably like it, like triple flavor. I am afraid to even try the other flavors, because at that price I would be irritated if I didn't like them. This works out to less than 1/3rd of the price, especially with the coupon code....and so far I have liked all 8....so even if the next 8 I didn't like I would still be way ahead from a financial aspect. I think the odds of not finding anything out of 8 flavors be good are pretty small. But EVERYONE has different taste buds. Someone recommended Ms T's to us and OMG, to us, both of us, not even one is usable of 4....they were SO ungodly sweet, their grape was totally like a chemical, like so strong it concerned me...horrid, the other 3 were so crazy sweet that there was no flavor at all, just sweetness. But to me flavors like white chocolate and bavarian creme, I get them for mixing. I ordered waffle too, for the same reason. I expect those to be like neutral things to work with other stuff. I have vaped both on their own, but I like them best mixed with others...they just seem both to do great things for other flavors somehow. My husband really loves the double dutch chocolate. So it is all very subjective. BUT I would definitely write Jason at Vapor Renu......he is VERY reasonable and he will work with you for you to be satisfied....so write him. That is my recommendation.....and I would ask about the nic level issue. I don't know what that does. But like I would never vape 100% VG because of what that does. So other things make a difference and maybe nic level does matter somehow. Would it help if you just vaped like 6mg? Or did you already try that? Migraines suck, I know, my husband and I both get them, and his oldest brother gets them so bad that he has been hospitalized numerous times. He had experimental brain surgery at Loyola last year THAT is how bad they were. The surgery has helped, tremendously, but that is an extreme action to have to take. But then constantly being hospitalized is bad too. He was so skinny from all the vomiting and of course the pain he was in was horrible. I guess he started getting them when he was like a small child. He is now 52 and actually been unable to work for long periods of time because of them. First because of them being so debilitating then because he was so weak from all the nausea, then he had horrible digestive tract ruptures and tears fro all that acid from being sick. It is crazy how bad it was. I am so glad he is doing better. I hope your migraines subside as well! But WRITE JASON AT VR in the meantime and see what he will do for you! Just say that you read reviews and were disappointed, etc. I would be shocked if he didn't try to fix things for you......AND make sure you let us know what happens!!! I really love the flavors I have gotten, but obviously that doesn't mean everyone will. Just like the stuff I have tried because people love it and then I hate it. If everyone only all loved the same things then all the vendors would just be selling a small handful of flavors because everyone would be vaping caramel and RY4 (two flavors I have hated no matter where they came from) and some other small assortment.

I ordered belgian waffle because I have heard good things about waffle flavor in general. Bacon, ummmmm, no. It might be great, but I really can't imagine vaping bacon, LOL. It would be like vaping steak or green beans or potatoes, just seems so odd, LOL. Watch, one day we will find out that bacon is amazing and we have been missing out. IT is funny though because I have gotten all kinds of prefilled cartos as freebies tossed in with orders from other vendors and many of them were flavors I would NEVER have even tried and they turn out to be really good, LOL. You just never know!!! I guess someone must order bacon or they wouldn't have it. But someone else would have to tell me how that is, I wouldn't order it not knowing, LOL. I know, silly but it does sound bizarre. Like just not a flavor you can imagine tasting all day or even a couple hours.

It depends what device you use. I use only cartos, so I wouldn't get anything more than 50% vg, only because it is very thick and hard to soak into the filler in a carto. If you are direct dripping then that wouldn't matter. Also because VG has more natural sugars in it, it is naturally sweeter than PG, so it makes the flavor sweeter (which I don't like super sweet, so I don't want to add to sweetness if I can avoid it) and also the heating of VG discolors it, like in the cartos, you will notice even with 20% vg like I get, it does turn progressively darker in the filler....it isn't burning, it is just the sugars heating up. I have also read that people say it gunks up attys faster, which I assume is why when I vape the liquids containing vg I have to wash the cartos sooner....NOT so much sooner that it is a bother, but it does gunk up faster. HOWEVER, if the pg really bothered me then I would do something to avoid that,...I guess I would switch over to dripping rather than getting a pepper feeling. I have a similar issue with higher than 18mg of nic. It doesn't feel peppery....it feels raw, like when you are coming down with a throat infection that really raw feeling you get in your throat....that is what I get. I have never had too much pepper, so I don't know if this is the same thing you are talking about....but with me I know it is the nicotine, not the pg. BUT I think if you had this problem with straight pg, I would try a blend first before resorting to straight VG. Also I don't know what nic level you use....are you SURE it isn't the nic rather than the pg? I knew because we had some 20mg, and that made a bit of a rawness, but 24mg was bad and 36mg was flat out painful...but 16/18mg and lower were fine. Since all the liquid was 100% pg, I knew it was obviously the nicotine. PG has some natural sweetness too since it is derived from corn.....but not near as much as VG. The thickness of the liquid and the sweetness are both issues for me, but I would get over it to not have a sore throat. No one wants to feel like that!! Good luck!!

I order just regular and it has been more than enough flavor for my husband and I. The pumpkin spice and grape I can't even imagine with double flavor. They are VERY strong flavors to me. I just tried the grape soda from VT and it tasted so faintly grape compared to the regular strength grape from VR. I get 16mg, 80/20 pg/vg (just get that tiny bit of vg for vapor production)...I get medium TH and that has been fine for us too. My main thing is flavor....I want strong, clearly distinctive and identifiable flavors. The ONLY flavor that wouldn't have been crazy strong with double flavor is the Heath Bar, BUT I don't think it NEEDS it, but it is the only one I can imagine wouldn't have been insane. I don't get any of the additives, no particular reason...I am not against them or anything, just never had them. They are flavorless so I assume they wouldn't affect anything. Anyway, THAT is one of the things I like about VR....you can customize everything. IF you want some different pg/vg blend you can just write them and tell them and I am sure they would do it. If there is some flavor you want that isn't on their list they will make it for you. For instance, they didn't have Cappuccino on there, until I asked, and also Cherry Cola, I suggested several others that he then added too. The customer service is really great.

I don't have an ego, but I have never had a button stick on any device.....I have had them die, where pushing the button on a manual battery does absolutely nothing but usually after months of use. I have never untwisted a carto when I am not using a device. Isn't there a cut off on those batteries? Like even if you had the button stuck, wouldn't it just shut off after x amount of seconds? Usually I have the opposite problem, like the cut off time being too short and i have to "pump" the button to get a long enough drag. With my 808 version of the Riva....750mah batts, that one after you stop pushing the button, it still goes for like another second, which I don't mind, just keep inhaling until it really stops. Personally I consider that a positive, not a negative. I love that rubbery button. I have had problems with auto batteries not cutting off even when I stop inhaling. Usually they stop after I cut off all air flow by holding my finger over the cap. Had other issues with autos too so I just don't use them anymore, plus the issue with liquid being to get into them. Anyway, the ONLY thing I have ever done is if I am going to be gone for awhile I unplug my PT, but that is about it. Of course usually I am using my devices, not setting them down for more than a couple seconds, LOL.

I smoked using all those products too....because I craved the "act" of smoking. All the patches, gum, lozenges,and pills on earth wouldn't get me to stop smoking, no matter how much someone spent and if they were provided at no cost....of course there is a cost, you just aren't actually paying it at a checkout. Another perfect example of a useless entitlement. What a waste of millions for the tiny percentage it will actually work with. I know individually you can't put a price on a saved life, but these methods are so ineffective. I wonder how much money the pharma industry spent to get that in place. Because of course the gov got some huge contract with supplier(s) of those patches. They would have better spent that money taking less of it and having lab tests done on e cigs, try to establish the "safety", and success, etc. Oh and I too had problems with the adhesive. 3M is the biggest maker of the adhesives used in those products and I have an allergy to the adhesive used on the nic patches and also Duragesic (fentanyl....synthetic morphine product) patches.....had blisters not just where the patch was, but since the chemicals enter the bloodstream transdermally it spread all over the place and I ended up with a huge problem that took awhile to solve. AND it is incredibly uncomfortable to be covered in blisters and rashes caused by an allergic reaction...itched and burned like crazy!!!! Anyway, another example of wasteful government spending. Isn't just our government, it is all of them. Wonder how many years and how much money will end up being wasted with this "program".

hahahahahhaa......mixing is FUN.....and sometimes those so so flavors...they really just need a kick of something.....or like this white chocolate, it just somehow gives all kinds of things a nice little difference....I don't mean like anything is wrong with the flavor, but it just creates a different flavor...plus it is just fun to play. Just make sure you remember how much of what you put in,....so if you like it you can duplicate it!!! Have fun!!!

HA, funny....I shake everything like a maniac.....the ONLY reason was one time I got a juice, and it was in a totally clear bottle and it separated in 3 layers.......and when I am playing around mixing stuff, it is funny how when you put a dark colored liquid into a light colored one, it just sits there completely separated. Ever since that layered liquid I shake every flavor, every time I use it. That is how I felt about the heath....I was like, it isn't bad, but I couldn't decide if I really LIKED it....of course I was trying one flavor after another, so after I hadn't been vaping at all.,..(had been asleep) I decided to try it and it tasted TOTALLY different from when I had tried it earlier and I liked it, then the more I vaped it, the more I liked it, then before I knew it I was adding more to the carto, LOL. So I don't know if maybe the first time I had too much aftertaste from other flavors, or what. The grape I can smell but not actually across the room. Or the pumpkin spice. I have 5 of the 8 flavors sitting right next to me....I am using them so much it is pointless to put them away, LOL. I figure if I only liked 1 out of 3 flavors it would STILL be cheaper than buying from most other people, BUT then in that one bottle I have 3 times the amount! I am still really upset about that Ms T's order....ugh...28ml total for almost $30.....it was 4 flavors, hated 3, one would be tolerable if NOTHING else was available. But you figure VR, I get 30ml for under 7 bucks.....so for that same price I could have had 4 flavors BUT it would have been 120ml....NOT 28ml.....how crazy is that???? I love how on the VR label ALL the details of what you ordered are there and I also like that it has the date the stuff was mixed.

It is and it is hard because everyone likes so many different things. Like the super sweet flavors, I don't like. I like flavors that just taste normal, not amped up sweetness with no real flavor if that makes sense? Like to me some of them would be like making cookies, but tossing in an extra cup of sugar which then just drowns out the flavor, just overpowers it with sweetness. Like the heath, it is sweet but as sweet as you would think it should be.....not just crazy insane sweet. I really wanna try their watermelon....that is definitely on my wish list. Most watermelon tastes like a cucumber melon sort of thing....I bet theirs states like watermelon bubble gum. If the grape is any indication then the watermelon should be awesome, LOL, and the other fruit flavors too. I am not even into the fruits, but that grape was just soooooo good. So it depends on what your preference is....like cookie/candy sweet, or fruit sweet, etc. The good thing is that if you don't like something at least it won't cost you an arm and a leg to find out. OH, and if there is some kind of flavor you would like and it isn't on their list, just write them....Jason will make it for you and add it to the list. I have gotten all 3 of my orders in two days, each time. In fact, I had ordered from Ms T's and from Vapor Renu, for the first time on the same exact day, within minutes from each other. I had THREE orders from VR within the time it took to get the FIRST order from Ms T's. Three more days and it would have been THREE weeks to get my order. Then on top of it we didn't like ANY of the flavors...they were all gross sweet...like to the point where neither one of us will vape them. So $30, total waste, for teeny tiny bottles. I could have had FOUR 30ml bottles from VR for that amount, WITH shipping...Don't even wanna think about it because it aggravates me. So when you think about it, their price is less than 1/3 of most these other places....SO if you only liked 1 in 3 flavors, you would STILL be ahead moneywise with them. I also love that everything you order is mixed per your specs, made to order...it is not just sitting around premixed. At least their products are in alphabetical order, so if you think of something you can find it....you can use that wish list function too, LOL. I hope you find stuff you like!

I agree....I think a lot DOES depend on the device and where they got liquid from, etc. I mean really...that study just shows how effective ONE product line is....I think it would be a better study if it wasn't so limited. BUT even if the success rate was the same....say if the other NRT are 15% successful, okay those are people no longer smoking...say the e cig is also 15% effective, that is a DIFFERENT group of people, thereby adding to the overall success. SO why WOULDN"T they want to add another aid....IF THE goal is TRULY to get people to stop smoking??? As far as the underground, it would depend on the extent of the ban....if they made it illegal to possess nicotine liquid say, then you couldn't even use the things in your car or anywhere outdoors really....it would be the same as using any other illegal drugs. SO you would have to be willing to risk the expense of hiring attorneys AND risk your freedom. So that is a hard thing to say. PLUS if it is underground that means ALL the supplies would be incredibly more, and probably a whole lot more than smoking, as the prices are with any illicit or illegal drug. Some of us wouldn't have the means to finance that. So it would depend on the extent of the ban. The whole thing is insane. What we REALLY NEED is for some independent lab, to study some of this stuff, SHOW it is safe, in a LAB setting, with TESTING and then as LONG as these idiots are using this "safety" argument there would be SOMETHING to combat it. We all KNOW that is not the REAL motive behind any ban,....BUT since that is what they are saying, then okay, fine, we chip away at their supposed issue. So when it is proven that it is NOT dangerous, then what will the argument be? Then that it appeals to kids and all these other side issues...which is why they do that, they toss in all kinds of garbage figuring something will stick. The point to me is that there are ALL kinds of things kids can get and become addicted to....look at all the obese kids and people that are said to have a "food addiction" .....if that is the argument, should we ban ANY food that is fattening or unhealthy and tastes good? After all, we wouldn't want it to appeal to kids. Anyway, the whole thing sucks AND that was the reason I didn't even want to start vaping...I KNEW this would happen and I didn't want to be stressing out over worrying about it. BUT I guess at the very least any cig I haven't smoked and don't smoke in the long run will be helpful. I hope they don't actually do this BS, but if they do I guess I will have to figure out then what to do. BUT could they ban the NO nic juices??????? Since the PG and VG is available here, anywhere, and approved, and the food flavorings obviously are fine.....COULD they EVER ban that???? Because really, I KNOW most of my thing is the habit, not the nic. SO that would be an option too. And they could ban the devices that are made in china from being imported, but they couldn't ban mods....then we would just need a whole lot of the other stuff, like cartos, attys, etc stockpiled. UGH, don't even wanna think about it. I will write letters and make calls and do whatever I can and hopefully if we ALL care enough to do that, HOPEFULLY it will have some kind of impact.