Vacker1229 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Interesting that in Nevada smoking has been banned but Golden Gaming Casinos are selling ecigs within their casinos. Upon more research I found this lawsuit: Assault, Libel, Slander...blah...blah...blah...whine...whine...wine http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/12/16/Smokem.pdf Well this e-cig thing can ultimately turn into a highly profitable business, as there are pyramid type companies out there hyping we all jump on their bandwagon to sell for them. I also searched Sottera (parent co of NJOY) and they are VC funded round 1 2008 (product research started '07), so they must have had one heck of a prospectus to find funding via VC and not private parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royce Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Interesting I wasn't aware that a smoking ban had hit Nevada... good find on the law suit... I somehow managed to "misplace" acrobat on my laptop so I'll have to read through it later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacker1229 Posted January 16, 2009 Author Share Posted January 16, 2009 Smoking ban took effect December 2006 but how many casinos are going to kick you out for smoking and who the heck is going to police this ban. What the smokin' cops? According to "COPs: Las Vegas" bad boys bad boys what cha gonna do... they have bigger problems than some grannie at a nickel slot puffin on a cig. Or some fat cat at the crap table with a stoggie. http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jun/0...nd-playing-too/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royce Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 WOW looks like NJOY has found the ideal platform for cross-marketing their products... get in early and spread awareness before someone does have the time to enforce the smoking ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I read most of the PDF file, interesting find indeed!! So basically Ruyan is pist off that NJOY is doing so well and now wants to sue. That's really what I'm getting. Now to be honest I don't really feel bad for them especially because of their ridiculously high prices (Ruyan). Although NJOY isn't cheap, out of all the major manufactures they are the cheapest. If you notice the only place can you find the RN4081 cheaper than NJOY is through "mom and pop" type venues. So we should really give them credit for that, the only issue that I have is the cart prices. Those refill prices just aren't going to work. Especially because the carts don't last long at all. I plan to follow along with this and hope you do as well vacker. From what I can tell Ruyan is pointing fingers claiming patent violation, but doesn't have anything to back it up. Another interesting thought here, if they are going to go after NJOY for redistribution of "their product/a knock off" do you think Ruyan will start to go after the small companies as well? Such as Puresmoker and the Smokeless Shop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Smoking ban took effect December 2006 but how many casinos are going to kick you out for smoking and who the heck is going to police this ban. What the smokin' cops? According to "COPs: Las Vegas" bad boys bad boys what cha gonna do... they have bigger problems than some grannie at a nickel slot puffin on a cig. Or some fat cat at the crap table with a stoggie. http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jun/0...nd-playing-too/ Wow way to go NJOY! I would love to see something like this happen at the Casino I work for out here in California. We have a huge customer base and a TON of smokers. I can guarantee that when these hit big time in the Casinos Mr.Phillip Morris is going to have a word... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royce Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I read most of the PDF file, interesting find indeed!! So basically Ruyan is pist off that NJOY is doing so well and now wants to sue. That's really what I'm getting. Now to be honest I don't really feel bad for them especially because of their ridiculously high prices (Ruyan). Although NJOY isn't cheap, out of all the major manufactures they are the cheapest. If you notice the only place can you find the RN4081 cheaper than NJOY is through "mom and pop" type venues. So we should really give them credit for that, the only issue that I have is the cart prices. Those refill prices just aren't going to work. Especially because the carts don't last long at all. I plan to follow along with this and hope you do as well vacker. From what I can tell Ruyan is pointing fingers claiming patent violation, but doesn't have anything to back it up. Another interesting thought here, if they are going to go after NJOY for redistribution of "their product/a knock off" do you think Ruyan will start to go after the small companies as well? Such as Puresmoker and the Smokeless Shop? No they have no legitimate course of action against the small resellers of these "knock-off's" they would need go go after the manufacturers and distributors who are supplying these resale sites. Mtdobies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 If the in United States the electronic cigarrete becomes banned federally but not locally at the state level would we still be able to get the products past customs? I really hope the United States doesn't ban the E-Smoke. I know that they want taxes and all but I don't think Phillip Morris really sells that many Analogs in the states as compared to other countries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royce Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 If the in United States the electronic cigarrete becomes banned federally but not locally at the state level would we still be able to get the products past customs? I really hope the United States doesn't ban the E-Smoke. I know that they want taxes and all but I don't think Phillip Morris really sells that many Analogs in the states as compared to other countries No when State and Federal laws disagree the Federal law always takes precedence... that being said medical marijuana is illegal according to the Federal Government, According to CA state law medical marijuana is legal with a doctors consent, however it is still found in some states IE CA but the clubs are subject to DEA raids because according to federal law it is illegal. Sadly I don't think Ecigs have quite as large of a fan base for lack of a better word so we will more than likely SOL is they are outlawed in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Ha ha Fan base I like that. As Royce said if the federal government out laws electronic for some reason then we are all SOL. Which sorta irritated me, the whole point of having states or being "These United States" was so that each State could make their own laws without the Federal government becoming involved. I guess we slowly turning into the what we originally sought after during the Civil War. CLICK HERE FOR PAGE 2: law-suits-njoy-vs-ruyan-t19s10.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royce Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Ha ha Fan base I like that. As Royce said if the federal government out laws electronic for some reason then we are all SOL. Which sorta irritated me' date=' the whole point of having states or being "These United States" was so that each State could make their own laws without the Federal government becoming involved. I guess we slowly turning into the what we originally sought after during the Civil War.[/quote'] Not really states by and large do make their own laws without interference from the Federal government, however if the Fed's pass a law that individual states do not (which is very rare) state law cannot over rule federal law. So when Andrew asked if Ecig's could still get customs if they were not outlawed by or respective state the answer is no since customs is run and regulated by the federal government not state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I personally think it is bull if the feds take action on e-cigs and try to ban them. All they need to do is tax it. I think there is no reason for them not to support e-cigs. Think about all the health problems that would be avoided by smoking, second hand smoke, and pregnant mothers and what not that smoke. I see it as an all around benefit. After all the U.S. is supposed to be a "free" country right? So why shouldn't you have the choice to smoke e-cigs or analogs? In fact if you wanted to argue it, you could prove that if anything analog smoking should be outlawed becuase the U.S. is supposed to be a "free" country right? Shouldn't people be able to go into public and smoke, but at the same time, shouldn't a non-smoker be able to go into public and not have to breathe in second hand smoke which damages their personal health? Freedom of speech could be used as an example, you have the freedom of speech, but can still be given a ticket to this day if you are "cursing" in front of a woman and/or child. How does or is that supposed to work? With the e-cig you give both freedoms to both parties. The feedom to smoke in public and the freedom to be in public and not have to breathe in harmfull second hand smoke amongst many other things. I guess long story short, I really don't see how the government could try to properly ban e-cigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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