Christopher

Just how this stuff is effecting all of us http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/cigarette/ ... e_nfp.html

"Safer" Cigarettes: A History by Tara Parker-Pope http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/cigarette/history.html An interesting read...

Welcome Poppac! Don't worry we have no doubt you will order more, I'm not sure what's more addicting the e-cig or getting new models. TRUST US you will get more. We're always here to help. They really are great, I've been smoke free for quite a while now. I'm not going to say I never get cravings, but its VERY rare, usually only when someone piss's me off at work. But I'll pop in a high cart, vape and I'm good to go! What model did you order?

Thanks Vacker, I dunno why I didn't see that description. Must have been tired. (Actually lazy is more like it )

Yup your correct I'll. The difference is that the RB is manufactured by Ruyan. I forget who makes the KF models any idea?

what did you order? Now that I've had Riskee for a while it's nice to smoke as a past time or on a rare occasion, but Coke by far is still the best. I think the Riskee grows on you

I'm not 100% sure but no I don't think it's the same. I believe that is a different form

ahh come on! No penstyle stuff yet. Just the pilot is in stock. Looks like it's a hybrid whatever that means. No explanation that I can find to what the difference is

It's about damn time my penstyle automizer is working like crap, I'm going to head to the site now, thanks Royce I would have forgot to check

Having a certificate does not mean they are FDA approved it just means they registered. A little like giving the FDA a heads up the exist. It has not been deemed officially safe.

I'll have to do a search for it once I get home. But again it's just a certificate. Send them an email and ask if the FDA has deemed the electronic cigarette products as 100% safe and effective.

As Royce stated they are going have to overcome some tough trials before it's ever approved and that's IF it ever get's approved. The flavors are going to cause issues, for example people will complain that it's geared toward kids, even though we all know that isn't the case. Also at the moment when was the last time a supplier checked your age? Anyone can order without age verification, now granted you have to be 18 to purchase a credit card, but with pre-paid credit cards becoming readly available it's just a mater of time before minors try to purchase e-cigs. In fact came across a video on Youtube of a kid somking an e-cig and it looked like he was around 16 years of age. Time will only tell where this market will go

I highly doubt that they are FDA approved that would spread in the news like wild fire. It's more likely at the very least that they are FDA registered like Johnson Creek is. Doesn't mean they are actually approved though.

I don't think PG has any trace of pork but alcoho I'm not so sure, I'll have to look that up tonight

wow that is so sad, really to bad that people get into these stupid drugs. That said I also hope this doesn't happen to him. Seems like a really gifted guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl_1bozQZC8&feature=player_embedded

Fill me in here, what happend to his brother?

Talk about akward [/youtube:a8h5bzbx] Dude here is another interview where you can see he has really just lost it [/youtube:a8h5bzbx] Here is Joaquin before he lost it [/youtube:a8h5bzbx]

dude I was just watching that this morning on I am bored.com FUNNY! What the heck happend to that guy? He's all..crazed out

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No just that Johnson Creek Juice in general doesn't have a strong flavor. This has been said on a few video reviews. I myself have only tried their none PG i have yet to try the PG version. Look up Johnson Creek Video reviews on Youtube and you'll find a few that say the same thing

Well some people such as yourself have a bad reaction to PG fo various reasons. Because of this Johnsons creek created a none PG forumula which uses a high food-grade vegetable glycerin said to be a "safe consumable compound used in many desserts and sauces" I've used both myself. What's nice is that there really is no vapor difference, at least not notable. I know sometimes when I smoke a lot of the PG my lungs get a little tight, although this is rare. When that happens I'll switch over to Johnson Creek Juice none PG and I have no issues at all. It's great. I just wished their flavors where a bit stronger. If you end up working something out give the Vanilla Ice Cream a try and the Peach cobler, both taste pretty damn good. Here is some more info about PG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

wow sorry that your having issues. Have you tired emailing Johnsons creek? Talk to Christian, he's a great guy and may be able to work something. I don't know of ANYONE else that has none pg.