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They're micro-coils...the wraps are supposed to be touching, but yes, make sure your coils & untrimmed leads aren't shorting against the RDA's surface.

Micro coils.... That must be in making coils 400, I'm still in making coils 220.. LOL

[0.5 ohms but won't fire ...]

Looks like your coils are way to tight, loosen the wraps with a Xato knife. The top coil in that pic looks smaller that the other and to be touching the base. You should also trim your leeds before testing, helps prevent possable shorts.

[Just thought I re-introduce my self :)]

Thanks everyone I like this board it is very friendly.

Welcome back I hope when you build your mod you post some photo's sounds exciting to invent your own mod.

Absolutely, but because it is rather unique, I may... may look into a design patten first. I'm really going outside the box.. err...a Tube for this MOD.

[Just thought I re-introduce my self :)]

Been away from the boards for a while, life has a nasty way of redirecting us somtimes. Been Vaping for a few years so I'm not really a noob. I DIY all my own juice and used to sell cig-a-likes and DIY flavors in my computer store. Things have sure come a long way in the vaping world since then, Mods, Tanks, Mecanicals... . Hell i was deaming of a tank mod years ago just couldn't seem to get it to work but always thought it was good idea. LOL Love the RBAs and now have 2 different types, 4 Drank Tanks and 1 AGA T2. I also have some of the Non rebuildable iClear 16s. They work fantastic on my old cig-alike-batts.

My Vape of choice now is a SID Mod with the AGA T2 I have also recently restarted working on my own Mod. All this new stuff I'm seeing is alowing me to rethink and build an old design i had in my mind.

Anyway Howdy again hope to be more involved in the boards as I work on my projects.

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Interesting. Thanks for the link. Any ball park quotes?

No, when I inquired it was just more to ask if they could. The cost factor was to wide for them to make any quote without more information on how many fluids I wanted tested and what they would tested for. I had talked to other labs that did quote me 25K on the low side to 100k or more depending on the testing to be done.

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Thanks for the link I just sent my comment

Comment:

I just want to express my experience with the E-Cig. I'm 48 and had been smoking cigarettes since I was 12 years old. I had been trying to quit for the last 10 years without success.I tried the patches, gum,Ziban and still smoked 2 packs a day. It took 1 week on an e-cigarette to kick smoking for good. I have been using my e-cig now for 1 year and have my taste back. I have this summer started riding a bike and climb stairs without a second thought. I no longer cough every 5 minutes. I no longer have chest pain. My family is no longer in danger of second hand smoke. Please don't kill me and my family by taking my only working option away.

I received this canned response to my comment:

Dear K,

Thank you for writing the Division of Drug Information, in the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today issued warning letters to five electronic cigarette distributors for various violations of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FDCA) including unsubstantiated claims and poor manufacturing practices.

Also today, in a letter to the Electronic Cigarette Association, FDA said the agency intends to regulate electronic cigarette and related products in a manner consistent with its mission of protecting the public health. The letter outlines the regulatory pathway for marketing drug products in compliance with the FDCA.

For a drug product to gain FDA approval, a company must demonstrate to the agency that the product is safe and effective for its intended use. The company must also demonstrate that manufacturing methods are adequate to preserve the strength, quality and purity of the product.

"FDA invites electronic cigarette firms to work in cooperation with the agency toward the goal of assuring that electronic cigarettes sold in the United States are lawfully marketed," the letter to the association read.

FDA has determined that the electronic cigarette products addressed in the warning letters to the distributors, and similar products, are subject to FDA regulation as drugs. Under the FDCA, a company cannot claim that its drug can treat or mitigate a disease, such as nicotine addiction, unless the drug's safety and effectiveness have been proven. Yet all five companies claim without FDA review of relevant evidence that the products help users quit smoking cigarettes.

The companies receiving warning letters today are: E-CigaretteDirect LLC, Ruyan America Inc., Gamucci America (Smokey Bayou Inc.), E-Cig Technology Inc. and Johnson's Creek Enterprises LLC.

Certain companies received warning letters for additional reasons. For example, E-Cig Technology markets drugs in unapproved liquid forms, such as tadalafil, an erectile dysfunction drug, and rimonabant, a weight loss drug that has not been approved for use in the United States. These liquid pharmaceuticals are designed to refill cartridges used in e-cigarettes so that the drugs can be vaporized and inhaled.

You can locate more information at http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm225224.htm.

Best regards,

CAO

Division of Drug Information

Center for Drug Evaluation and Research

Food and Drug Administration

For up-to-date drug information, follow the FDA's Division of Drug Information on Twitter at FDA_Drug_Info

This communication is consistent with 21CFR10.85(k) and constitutes an informal communication that represents our best judgment at this time but does not constitute an advisory opinion, does not necessarily represent the formal position of the FDA, and does not bind or otherwise obligate or commit the agency to the views expressed.

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http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/email/cder/comment.cfm

^^^ THATS THE LINK TO SEND THE FDA A COMMENT ABOUT HOW E-CIGS ARE HELPING NOT HURTING!!!^^^

Thanks for the link I just sent my comment

Comment:

I just want to express my experience with the E-Cig. I'm 48 and had been smoking cigarettes since I was 12 years old. I had been trying to quit for the last 10 years without success.I tried the patches, gum,Ziban and still smoked 2 packs a day. It took 1 week on an e-cigarette to kick smoking for good. I have been using my e-cig now for 1 year and have my taste back. I have this summer started riding a bike and climb stairs without a second thought. I no longer cough every 5 minutes. I no longer have chest pain. My family is no longer in danger of second hand smoke. Please don't kill me and my family by taking my only working option away.

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Sorry didn't mean to come off hard I agree E Liquid does need to be tested. The problem is when it comes down to individual supplier testing. (Some tests can run upwards of 70k a batch) It would be nice to see the FDA work with the major E Liquid factories in China. This could solve the problem right off the bat. I've spoken to representatives from the factories in China who would be willing to work with the FDA if they'd be willing to work with them. However I don't see that happening any time soon.

No worries Chris we all are passionate about about this subject.

Yes it would be nice if the FDA would work with Chinese suppliers it would help put to rest a lot of worries and help make vaping as safe as it can be. It would weed out those that are just out for the profit.

In addition I would like to see the FDA start doing case studies on the use of an e-cig to study long term effects good or bad. I would sign up in a heart beat.

This is the company I was looking into to do testing my liquid http://www.alliancetechgroup.com/index.html and it is not for the average Jo's pocket book.

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Never once has lead been found in E Liquid. In fact the when the FDA tested E Liquid months back even THEY didn't even find lead. So why create a scare where no scare is needed?

Lead tainted products are usually found where paint is found. This is because years ago the United States exported all of their lead issued paint to China. At no point does paint ever come in contact with E Liquid. Not to mention you can pick up lead testing kits from Amazon for under 50 bucks for self assurance. (Although we don't advertise it we test all of our products for lead)

Throwing something out there like that just scares off, would be vapers.

You have to understand that most of this "American Made" E liquid is actually American MIXED. Suppliers purchase un flavored high level nic bottles from China and then mix in flavors into it here in the states. The irony behind it is classic. While not all suppliers do it this way, many do. (PS and JC created their own liquid from scratch)

I didn't say this to scare off would be vapor users and I apologize if that is how I came off. E-cigs have (in my opinion) saved my life. I agree that testing is needed for anything we put into our bodies. My point is you don't know for sure unless it is tested.

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The last thing we need is home brewed nicotine. I'd take liquid from China any day over someone mixing it in their kitchen. This is exactly why the FDA wants regulation. The ecig industry is all over the place.

With all due respect, I would take what I make any day over the stuff from China. What is the lead content of the water in China or Mercury to name a few heavy metals.

I'm not recommending anyone to extract pure nicotine from tobacco. All e-liquid recipes are a home brew at some point when they start. I would not sell it or give out the process without having it tested by a lab and have it consistent. This is why I'm paying lawyers and working on having the testing done and it is not cheap.

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Wow, I'd be interested in knowing how that is done. Very cool.

It is not really hard to do and stumbled on it quite by accident. That is all I want to say because, I have been working on selling it, the lawyers I have been working with are not cheap. Now it looks like I will have to jump through more hoops.

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Do you get nicotine liquid in your home town? If so where-I am not giving up getting my fix lol! it's going to skyrocket in price after regulation and I want to stock up!

Yes it will go up in price that is true, and yes, I can make Nic liquid with bulk tobaccos.

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“FDA invites electronic cigarette firms to work in cooperation with the agency toward the goal of assuring that electronic cigarettes sold in the United States are lawfully marketed,” the letter to the association read.

I think we all saw some regulation coming down the pipe.I think the statement above shows they (the FDA) are not trying to outlaw them permanently. Yes it is not news that is all good but, I think it shows that E-Cigs have a future. It shows the FDA is trying to set standards for safety. I for one have been making my own fluids now from products that I can get in my home town. I think the statement above is a call for those that want to supply the E cig market with high quality products to do so in time legally with FDA approval. I can assure you that even Nicotine patches and gum needed to be cleared through FDA regulations.

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You all have made very valid points about classifying the e-cig as a tobacco product. I do agree this is a catch 22.

If you can not get behind the petition for the classification, it is completely understandable. I still have not made up my mind about this subject either.

Please don't forget there is a second petition asking the FDA to clarify/correct inaccurate and misleading claims about electronic cigarettes. I think we can at least all agree on this one that the FDA needs to fix this error.

It's not that I agree or disagree so much I see this as a work in progress. The more we talk about it the more clear we can be when discussing it in letters we write and things we do to get this gray areas cleared. This is a very good topic to make and get talk flowing about these issues.

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Compenstine you bring up a very valid point here. I suppose it's sort of a catch 22 here. Anyone else's thoughts on this?

Yes it is a catch 22. I think the regulations are going to come down to the fluid and what is contains. This is going to raise cost for the people making it. I would expect in time fluid will go up in price as the regulations are set up. I wish the FDA would get off it's high horse and work with those like AAPHP, Heath Insectors, Department of Agriculture (Regulates licensing for handling Nicotine), and others to come up with a workable solution. We were talking in our shop about doing fluid and standards that should be in place. We are taking our own steps to clarify these things now for our store.

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I think the strongest point that can be made is there are flavors out that have no nicotine and no tobacco flavoring at all in them. How can something be a tobacco product and not contain tobacco? This is where they should be separated from "Tobacco Products". The device it's self is not a pipe or any other smoking paraphernalia. It is a vaporizer. A device that vaporizes PG and "simulates" smoke. The fluid on the other hand could be a tobacco product if it indeed has nicotine extracted from tobacco and the same with the some flavors. But those alone do not cause cancer or any known ill effects to the surrounding public. Patches and gum have nicotine but they are not under fire because they do not emit vapor or smoke. They have nicotine and in the case of gum, flavor... so wouldn't they have to ban those in public places as well? They would be a "Tobacco Product" as well with the way they want to regulate PV's.

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I only see one problem with this, if I may without dodging bricks If they are labeled as "tobacco products" then they fall under the no smoking bans and are no longer allowed anywhere smoking is not. For example, MI just passed a law that bans all "Tobacco Products" from public places. This includes anywhere the public is gathered. Bars, Outdoor events, and 35 feet from any public place including the sidewalks. By the wording of this law it would include the e-cig if it were labeled a "tobacco product" would it not?

[New Awesome Calculator By Scubabatdan]

Out of curiosity do you have macros disabled on your home PC? By default office disables macros unless you say it's ok to enable them for a particular document. I have been able to use it in office 2007 and in OO if you don't have them enabled. Is the error message asking you about Macros?

It grays out the enable any other way to enable ...not sure if I can.

[Ecig Xox]

Thank you everyone! Now I can tell her which atty to buy! =D She already has the xox and is paying 20 for just one atty. Which is a little insane to me as we got ours for 10. If she does want another in the future I will refer her to the 510 as my hubby loves his. =D Thank you again everyone!

Order from Best E-cig 5 attys $27.50 5 day shipping

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That is the 801 AKA 112 from Bestecig.com It is not the unit I would recommend without a manual battery. It is a nice e-cig with a USB PT, like an all day sucker. lol The 510 model they have is a decent unit.

BestEcig $27.95

Xox $70

[New Awesome Calculator By Scubabatdan]

Just as an FYI, I've been playing with this fine calculator today at work. Unfortunately, Office 07 as configured here won't allow excel to run the macros. Freakin control freaks! I don't know whether to blame IT for being so compulsive, or M$ for providing for it. I'll blame M$ since I have a chip on my shoulder for them.

But there's a lot of great info in this thing! Highly recommended for serious mixers, no doubt about it. Thanks!

I got the same error with version 11 in Office 2003 on my home PC. :P I will stick with version 5 for now. I edited 5 to also be a drop calc for very small amounts when testing flavors.

[Best Liquor Taste?]

I am wondering as to who has the most recommended liquor flavored juice. I've tried the Tennessee Whiskey from Jeffery, but I am trying to get my collection as big as possible, but looking for more yummy liquor flavor

Try a 50-50 mix with Flavorganics Vanilla and PG or VG, it tastes like Amarillo. The vapor is light with PG but the flavor is there. Vg gives better vapor do to the VG being a bit thicker than the PG.

[Clove Recipe]

I did this over the last week and it does work although, I used whole cloves so it would be easier to remove the cloves. If you used crushed clove I would suggest using a tea bag to hold the clove. After a week of soaking in PG it does have a light clove taste and has started to color the PG. I was thinking of heating the bottle in some hot water to help draw the clove flavor into the PG faster and give it a stronger flavor.

UPDATE: I must have had some old clove that had lost allot of flavor the first time. I did a new batch with new cloves and WoW!!!!!!! It is fantastic with no worry of oils and no heating. I also did the same with cinnamon sticks and it is also awesome. It only took a few days to flavor the liquid.

[Glycerin Bottle]

I prefer NOW brand. It cost a little more but it is 100% pure.

I paid $8.99 for 16oz (473ml)@ Natural Heath Center

[Clove Recipe]

I think I would just soak some crushed cloves in VG or PG or PGA and strain it and try that.

I did this over the last week and it does work although, I used whole cloves so it would be easier to remove the cloves. If you used crushed clove I would suggest using a tea bag to hold the clove. After a week of soaking in PG it does have a light clove taste and has started to color the PG. I was thinking of heating the bottle in some hot water to help draw the clove flavor into the PG faster and give it a stronger flavor.