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I recently purchased a Diamante from vaprlife.com. After using it for about a month now, I thought I’d write a review. Since a PV is really just a voltage and current delivery device, I’m really not going to go into anything about vapor production. That aspect always depends on what atomizer/cartomizer you are using, and the use of VG or PG juice. I will split this up into 4 sections, appearance, quality, technology, and performance.
Appearance:
The Diamante is a very clean looking unit, using many of the same parts as the Joker. It uses the same body tube, and battery cap as the joker. The top cap is very similar, but my Joker has a smooth cone shape at the very tip, and the Diamante has slight ridges at the top. The ridges aren’t deep enough to call them a drip well, but do slow stay juice down to avoid running down the side. The main difference between the Joker-AV and the Diamante is in the center section where the voltage is adjusted. The Joker-AV has a simple silver band in the middle, with a hole for the adjustment screw. That same silver section in the center is longer in the Diamante, and has a voltmeter built in, with simple up and down buttons for the adjustment. The Diamante comes in your choice of 4 body colors, your choice of 4 LED colors, and your choice of 510 or 801 fittings.
Quality:
There seems to be 2 camps when it comes to the main button on vaprlife mods. Those who like it just fine, and those who hate it because it’s small, stiff, and “it hurts my finger”. I personally don’t have a problem with it’s comfort, and find it to be a nice quality switch. The ring around the button fits nice and tight around the hole with no gaps. It is typical with vaprlife mods to see a screw on the opposite side of where the switch is, which holds the switch in. They are now putting a nylon plug in the hole where this screw is, which seals the hole and prevents anyone from turning the screw out of curiosity (which could damage the mod). I thought this worth mentioning as an improvement in quality. Beyond that, you can always expect that the pieces fit together smoothly and without gaps, which I find to be typical quality of a vaprlife mod.
Technology:
The important technology behind the Diamante is PWM (Pulse Width Modulation). This is a very efficient method of adjusting output voltage, and allows the unit to exhibit improved battery life. It does this by pulsing the output very quickly, and the duration of the pulses determine the percentage of the total battery voltage applied to the load (the atomizer or cartomizer in this case). The unit has a built in voltmeter, and those who do not have (or don’t know how to use) a multimeter will find this to be a very useful feature. The fully electronic adjustment controls utilize simple up and down buttons, which make it extremely easy to operate (no more jeweler’s screwdriver). I have seen many reviews for adjustable voltage units that say something to the affect that it would not be a good mod for the less experienced. With the simple controls that this unit has, I think that anyone could operate it.
Performance:
The PWM technology really works quite well, but if you have older 16340s that have been cycled many times, you better get a new set. Older batteries that have many charge cycles on them may cause the unit to have less battery life than it should. Get a new set and the battery life between charges will magically lengthen to a full day of vaping. I order my units with an 801 connector, and vaprlife units have a nice airflow adjustment designed into the connector. I don’t know if their 510 connectors have a similar adjustment, but this is an important feature. By adjusting the airflow, you can change the feel of the draw, and since airflow is a factor in vapor production, being able to change it can help customize the overall performance. In most regulated adjustable voltage units, the loaded voltage is typically within 0.1volt of the unloaded voltage. The built in voltmeter does not show this change. I haven’t done any further testing in this area, but I suspect that the built in voltmeter is showing the voltage as a setting and not actual loaded voltage. Since there is very little difference in these values, I doubt that this will affect performance in any way.
In conclusion, I would call this a very impressive unit with a price that makes it very reasonable for such a feature packed little beast.
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Hobbie? To the OP.....
I've stayed with 3.7 vaping for several reasons. Your juice will remain consistent in flavor tone, your equipment and delivery device will not vary much, and VV will have you in hobbie mode, rather than vaping for pleasure IMO.
Here's the gig as I see it: Once you leave the standard 3.7 you may complicate things towards ohm, resistance, burning juice etc. The range for 3.7 is very wide, but once you move to 5 volts etc......you'll be spending a lot more money unless you settle at this range. Some juices burn at 5 volts, your carto and atty purchases will need to match the voltage, and there are many other variables. VV means it does not matter what carto I buy?
From what I've gathered over the years (please chime in, if I'm in error) there is very little difference in 5 volts with 2.8 ohms and 3.7 with 2.0 ohms. So what's the point? I've vaped at 6.0 volts and it requires a whole different set up than 3.7, while juice had to change, different equipment had to be purchased, and all manner of silly things. I picked up my 3.7 and ran the same thing I've been running for 2 years....no problem.
Taking up fishing, golf, or cycling takes initial investment and vaping is no different. I guess it came down to enjoyment and analog replacement for me. The hobby can be fun and it depends on your budget and priorities. I for one do not need VV because I get the same result (seemingly) out of matching the delivery device and juice at 3.7.
Now if I was to win the MI lotto tomorrow.........I'd take a Provari and set it at 4.2 while enjoying 2.0 resistance, just as now. No juice change, no carto or atty change, and no worries. Golden it would be.
I think you are missing the point of variable voltage. If you get a 5v mod, you will be vaping at 5v all the time, and you would have a lot of valid points. If you stick to 3.7v units, it's a straight battery which will fade over time, along with your pleasure. A variable voltage mod can be adjusted to whatever you want, not just 5v, and it is regulated voltage. That means that your hits are consistent from the time you put in a fresh set of batteries until the batteries need recharging. If you get a variable voltage unit that you like, and it's doing the job for you, you won't NEED to keep buying stuff, and it doesn't have to go into the realm of "hobby".
If you DO decide to buy a new variable voltage PV at some point because you like the new features, I would compare that to buying a new ipod rather than a hobby. If your first ipod held 8gig, it works fine until it's full, and you have more stuff to load in and no more room. So if you go out and buy a 160gig ipod for more space, is that a hobby?
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2]I recently bought the Diamante from Vaprlife, and I really like it. the battery life lasts a full day, and for me that is awesome. It has a voltmeter built in, and voltage is adjusted by convenient up and down buttons, instead of a jeweler’s screwdriver. It uses 2 16340 batteries, and comes with your choice of 510 or 801 fittings, and your choice of colors. I will try to find the time to write a full review at some point soon, but for now I can tell you that I highly recommend this mod. If you don't mind their standard ball bearing switch, it's definitely worth your consideration.
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GoGo Gadget.....speed boat
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Thomas EISSENBERG
He maintains close relations with the Pharmaceutical Industry.
That explains why his findings are such BS
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If you want to get away from the burt taste, move away from the 510. That's just my opinion of course, but here would be my recommendation.
Use a variable voltage mod so you can dial in the right amount of heat that you are lookng for. Get the mod with an 801 fitting, and use Joye 302 attys on it. the 302 atty won't burn as hot as a 510 to begin with, and the use of variable voltage will let you bring the voltage up high enough for this fogotten atomizer rock your world.
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This is a good topic, thank you Blake for bringing it up.
I will often disappear for long periods of time, but I'm not really gone, just not posting. I am still reading the posts to see what (if anything) is going on, but unless I have something to say that I think will contribute to the community, I will not post. I really don't care what my post count is, just as long as what I am saying is helpful in some way. So while my post count seems really low after a year of membership here, my post quality has always been mostly helpful.
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They claim to not know of any scientific studies other than their own, but CASAA continues to send out links to all the studies that have been done to politicians every time there is a ban threat. The FDA would have to be living under a rock to not be aware of these studies, therefore it can only be concluded that they are ignoring any findings that disagree with their own.
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I just got this email from CASAA. I cut and pasted it below in it's entirety.
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CASAA members,
Here is a copy of the CASAA follow-up letter sent to all of the representatives on the Utah House Business and Labor Committee. Elaine Keller and Kristin Noll-Marsh drafted this letter yesterday and sent it out last night. Personally, I think that the letter is brilliant. As many of you may or may not know, Rep. Ray (the sponsor of HB 170) has vowed to attempt to reintroduce this bill. If you would like to write a letter or make a phone call, go to the CASAA UT Call to Action page for talking points and contact information. It is also worth noting that, unlike many other states, the UT legislators have requested that we send correspondence via e-mail.
I also want to take this opportunity to thank Jacinda Ross, Aaron Frazier, Julie Woessner, Treece Clewell, Greg Conley, Elaine Keller and Kristin Noll-Marsh for all of their hard work in Utah. But, we are not out of the woods yet as long as Rep. Ray is still on the war path. Keep up the good work everyone.
Sincerely,
Ron WardCASAA Director
Dear Representative:The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (CASAA) sincerely thanks you for voting AGAINST H.B. 170 - Tobacco and Nicotine Product Amendments. We request that the members who voted FOR the proposal reconsider their opinion about smoke-free products, based on correcting the confusion introduced during the February 25 public testimony. Many of those who testified about health risks were referring to the effects of cigarettes and smoking. However, H.B. 170 concerned smoke-free products that many smokers have been able to use as a replacement for smoking. If smokers who cannot or will not quit were provided with truthful information-that switching to a smoke-free product could reduce their risks of smoking-related disease by up to 99%--many, many lives could be saved. The 2009 Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act directed the FDA to establish requirements for identifying "reduced exposure" and "modified risk" tobacco products. Any tobacco product that is not combusted reduces exposure to the tar, carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of chemicals found in smoke. "Modified risk" products will need to demonstrate that they reduce harm or the risk of tobacco-related disease.Amy Sands testified: "These are cancer-causing, toxic products. There's no doubt - all sorts of scientific research to prove that smokeless tobacco products like these addict and they kill."Ms. Sands may be confused by older epidemiological studies on products that delivered higher quantities of harmful substances than current versions of these products. Nevertheless, even those earlier products eliminated the lung disease that is triggered by inhaling smoke. They also carried lower risks of cardiovascular disease and cancer than smoking.While there is zero scientific evidence that modern smokeless tobacco products cause cancer or kill the user in any other manner, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Snus, a moist powder tobacco product, was developed in Sweden for the express purpose of reducing the health risks faced by smokers. Snus is processed to deliver lower concentrations of Tobacco-specific Nitrosamines (TSNAs) than traditional smokeless tobacco products. Foulds, Ranstrom, Burke, and Fagerstrom reviewed the evidence on the effects of snus on smoking and health in Sweden. They concluded, "It is dependence forming, but does not appear to cause cancer or respiratory diseases."Foulds, et al. Effect of smokeless tobacco (snus) on smoking and public health in Sweden. Tobacco Control 2003;12:349-359. http://www.tobaccoprogram.org/pdf/TC12349.pdf Lee and Hamling reviewed 89 studies on cancer risk of smokeless tobacco and concluded, "Risk from modern products is much less than for smoking."Lee, et al. Systematic review of the relation between smokeless tobacco and cancer in Europe and North America. BMC Medicine 2009, 7:36. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/7/36 Peter Lee's most recent review of the evidence concludes: "Using snus is clearly much safer than smoking. While smoking substantially increases the risk of cancer and cardiovascular diseases, any increase from snus use is undemonstrated, and if it exists is probably about 1% of that from smoking."Lee, PN. Summary of the epidemiological evidence relating snus to health. Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2010 Dec 14. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21163315Electronic cigarettes are relatively new products; however, they have been available since 2003. There have been no deaths and no reports of any serious adverse events associated with electronic cigarettes anywhere in the world. Surveys show that over 90% of users report that their health has improved.Heavner, et al. Electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) as potential tobacco harm reduction products: Results of an online survey of ecigarette users. Tobacco Harm Reduction 2010 Yearbook. http://tobaccoharmreduction.org/wpapers/011v1.pdf The dissolvable tobacco products are even newer, so there is no published research on product safety. However, given the fact that the products are not smoked and that they contain levels of carcinogens on par with pharmaceutical nicotine products, it is most likely that their safety profile will be similar that of snus and electronic cigarettes. Representative Ray stated, "We know that one third of kids who start using these are going to die at some point in their life from the use of tobacco." This statistic refers to smoking, not to the use of modern smokeless tobacco products. Source: CDC, "Projected Smoking-Related Deaths Among Youth - United States," MMWR, 45(44), November 8, 1996. Utah PTA Health Commissioner Liz Zentner commented about electronic cigarettes, "The problem is that a lethal dose of nicotine for children is 10 mg and one of those cartridges contains 500 to over 1000 mg."This is false. Cartridges may contain nicotine that has been purified (pharmaceutical grade), but the content is not "pure nicotine." A cartridge contains no more than one gram (1000 mg) of a liquid solution of water, propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycerin, flavoring, and (optionally) nicotine. The "high dose" cartridges typically contain less than 2% of actual nicotine (20 mg) and the solution is soaked into an absorbent material, which would make it nearly impossible for a child to "drink" from the cartridge.More than one speaker mentioned accidental poisoning of children by tobacco products. Given the fact that over 70% of tobacco product poisonings are caused by eating cigarettes, butts, and cigars, it does not appear that banning flavored smokeless tobaccos would have solved the already existing issue of accidental ingestion. Not only would HB 170 have NOT solved that problem, it would have practically ensured that many children would remain exposed to second-hand smoke as well as to cigarettes, butts, and cigars, because smoking relatives would have been denied access to a variety of acceptable smoke-free alternative. Additionally, 1,307 poisonings were caused by pharmaceutical nicotine products, yet there is no effort to ban the sale of the Mint, Fresh Mint, Cinnamon Surge, Cherry, White Ice, and Fruit Chill flavors of Nicorette products. The Nicorette lozenges look, smell, and taste much more like candy than the flavored dissolvable tobacco orbs. http://www.aapcc.org/dnn/Portals/0/correctedannualreport.pdfCASAA shares the concern for the safety of children. Parents should always keep any product that contains nicotine-including FDA-approved products such as patches, lozenges, and gum-out of the reach of pets and children. CASAA strongly supports prohibiting the sale of these adult products to underage youth and encourages regulating packaging and advertising to reduce potential accidents.There is no evidence that adding flavorings to tobacco products induces children to start smoking. Conrad, Flay, and Hill reviewed 27 studies regarding onset of cigarette smoking. Major factors that govern initiation of smoking include low socioeconomic states, peer and school bonding, parental example, and peer smoking approval.Conrad, et al. "Why children start smoking cigarettes: predictors of onset. " Br J Addict. 1992 Dec;87(12):1711-24. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1490085 There is also no evidence that kids tend to start with smokeless tobacco products and "graduate" to smoking. If smoke-free products are a gateway, the gate swings away from smoking. Ranstrom and Foulds found, "Among men who used snus as a single aid, 66% succeeded in quitting completely, as compared with 47% of those using nicotine gum (OR 2.2, 95% CI 1.3 to 3.7) or 32% for those using the nicotine patch (OR 4.2, 95% CI 2.1 to 8.6). Women using snus as an aid were also significantly more likely to quit smoking successfully than those using nicotine patches or gum."Ramström, et al. "Role of snus in initiation and cessation of tobacco smoking in Sweden." Tobacco Control 15:210-214. http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/15/3/210.abstract The same thing is true of electronic cigarettes. Smokers are switching to electronic cigarettes, not vice versa. Success rates for achieving complete abstinence from smoking range as high as 80%. Those users who enjoy pleasant flavors soon lose their taste for smoking and have no urges to smoke. Claims that adult smokers would not want these flavors are based on mistaken assumption and not actual research. Surveys have shown that thousands of middle-aged users find the non-tobacco flavors to be a key factor for successfully substituting electronic cigarettes for smoking.Recent studies show that smoking quit rates have stalled and start rates are again increasing in youth. Many of these tobacco users may choose smokeless products over smoking if given accurate information about the relative risks. If HB 170 had succeeded in removing or banning low-risk smokeless tobacco products, it would have forced new and existing users to purchase only the most hazardous products available on the market. Given the enormous health risks of smoking, is it ethical to create barriers to products that carry very low disease risks and are highly acceptable replacements for smoking?If you have any questions or concerns about smokeless alternatives please do not hesitate to contact us. We would be happy to provide you with additional scientific research reports which support the urgent need to not only keep these smokeless products available to adult tobacco users, but to also design tobacco regulation to educate and encourage smokers to switch to reduced harm alternatives.Sincerely,Yolanda Villa, Esq.CASAA Legal Director585-267-5458 yvilla@gmail.com Theresa A. Whitt, MDCASAA Medical Director325-370-9868 theresa.whitt@yahoo.com
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Since I have stepped up to 5v, my 3.7v devices have been a complete let down. Even with a Joye LR 510 atty I just can't get any enjoyment out of 3.7v. Then I tried an LR 306 atty, and that thing is a vapor cannon, it will knock you back. It's the only way I will rock a 3.7v device.
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"So I did some research," said Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal, a Manhattan Democrat and 20-year smoker who quit more than a dozen years ago. "I found what is in the e-cigarettes is a mystery."
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So a judge can decide that the FDA doesn't need to extensively test e-cigarettes to control them as drug delivery devices, and regulate them as a tobacco products. Who the hell are these lawmakers that they think they can go into some back room somewhere and decide to go against the ruling of a judge. That's the way I see it. These idiots didn't like the ruling that the judge set down, so they think they can do whatever the hell they want because they have some power in their own state. Why doesn't the ruling of a federal judge also prevent state and local governments from asserting the same kind of authority that it already said that the FDA didn't have?
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You are quite correct Will, the 14500 under test with the Mark mod was not fully charged. You brought up some very good points about the mah ratings posted on the batteries not being accurate.
My purpose in this video was to show a simple test that anyone could do without getting too elaborate. What I like to do is run a test like this when I first get a new PV to get a base line of it's performance. Later down the road, if I think I notice things not working as well, I can run the test again to see if there is truely a decrease in performance.
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While this would work and possibly work better than water ,I am not too sure why that would be any different than water as far as when you use it.They both are liquids and conduct electricity.You can blow out and use an atty cleaned in water just the same.The worse thing that would happen is the current would take the easy route through the liquid and the element just won't get hot or as hot.The main thing with any cleaning is just get as much excess liquid out of the atty.Even E-liquid will build up between the cup the element is in and the adapter portion causing a short .
What makes you think that all liquids are electrically conductive? I just poured some PG into a cap and dipped my ohmmeter leads into either end of the cap, and couldn't get the ohmmeter to register, even on the 20M scale. Even with water, it's not so much the water as it is the minerals in the water that is condutive. With sweat and pee it's the salt in the liquid that causes it to be conductive. Don't whizz on the electric fence, but it can rain without the generator exploding.
Honestly, I see nothing wrong with this method. After all, we all put PG or VG liquid into an atomizer and apply an electrical current to it on a daily basis. Even when we have liquid leak out of the atomizer and onto the battery connector, it doesn't fry the PV. On the stick battery PVs, we prefer manual over automatic because the liquid leaks into the battery causing the battery to go bad. I suspect that this has less to do with the fact that it's a liquid, and more to do with a chemical reaction between the PG or VG and the battery's own chemestry.
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These batteries are all safe with the overcharge/overdischarge protection ciricuit. Each of these batteries can be purchased as protected or unprotected. Never buy unprotected batteries.
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All of the comments made by these idiots are completely as predicted, and is exactly as described in the interview with Dr. Michael Seigel. They are completely ignoring the science (or that the science even exists) and leaning heavily in the ideology that something that looks like smoke can't be a good thing.
If you didn't listen to the interview, do it now. You owe it to yourself to understand this insightful perspective.
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A Noobie's Guide to Batteries
While in the chat room one night, someone was asking if there was a guide for batteries. He was hearing all these battery numbers in the conversation, and not familiar enough to follow along. I decided to write this guide to help familiarize the noobs to all the batteries we use for mods.
All of the batteries we use are either 3.7volts or 3.0volts. There is however a 5volt battery used in the Mako Maksi, but it's not one of the popular batteries you frequently hear about, so I'll just concentrate this discussion on the 3 and 3.7volt varieties.
The 3.0volt batteries are primarily used in pairs for a total of 6.0volts for 6volt vaping, and single battery mods are 3.7volts. The 3.7volt batteries are usually only paired if the mod has a voltage regulator (adjustable or fixed) for consistency in voltage throughout battery life and load conditions. Now that you have a little background on how the batteries are used, let's try to make sense out of the numbering system.
The first 2 digits of the battery number indicate the dimension measuring across the battery. So a 10440 measures 10mm across, a 14500 measures 14mm across, and so forth, and the last 3 digits make reference to the length. For example the last 3 digits in a 14500 battery would suggest that the length would be 50.0mm long, but that would be for the unprotected version of the battery. The overcharge/overdischarge protection circuit will add between 2 and 3 mm to the length of the battery, so a 14500 is really 52.5mm long.
Aside from the physical size of the battery, there is something referred to as mah (milliamp hour) rating. This is a capacity rating of the battery, and indicates the amount of energy the battery can store. In other words, how long it will last between charges (more mah, more charge life). Physical size will affect mah ratings, and therefore smaller size batteries will typically have lower mah ratings. Some batteries are available in more than 1 mah rating.
Below is a listing of the more commonly used batteries in e-cigarette mods.
**This is not meant to be a complete list, so please don't shoot me of you know of a battery I didn't list.**
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What about a pre-paid credit card? You go someplace like Walgreens, give them the money you want to spend, and they load it on to a pre-paid credit card for you. Wouldn't that work?
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Just so I understand, after taking a quick look at the bill, it looks like it's not an ultimate ban yet but rather a ban in public areas correct?
Very much like what happened in King County, Washington, but on a state wide level.
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Thanks for posting the link to the interview
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At our local bowling center, there's a sign at the front desk that says "Use of Electronic Cigarettes are permitted in this establishment"
Gotta love that!!!!
The fact that they would post a sign might suggest that the owner, manager, or someone influential there is a vaper.
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I think you have it wrong about the tobacco industry, and they are more likely to be on our side. They have been just as victimized by taxation as the smokers. The real culprits are the state governments and federal agencies like the FDA. They impose high taxes on cigarettes which impacts the pockets of smokers, and leads to LESS sales of tobacco. Why would the tobacco industry be behind that.
Hurt by this taxation, the tobacco industry turned to other ways to sell their product. The extraction of nicotine for use by the pharmaceutical companies in patches and gum and such. Now the pharmaceutical companies would be another villain in all this, but to the tobacco companies they would be just another customer. There is also snus which is derived from the tobacco plant, and yes, electronic cigarettes. If the tobacco companies get on board with more smoking alternatives which are derived from the tobacco plant, they stand to make MORE money, and that puts them more on our side.
This is not just my guess. This is a point on view published in a tobacco magazine, and the article was posted a while ago right here on vaportalk by another member.
It is a multi faceted issue.....first off the states don't want to be losing all that tax revenue from the sale of cigarettes. Then you have the entire tobacco industry which is TOTALLY against e cigs because it affects their sales and they can see where this is going....imagine the day that half the smokers aren't smoking anymore....think of what that means...half of all tobacco industry sales gone? All the jobs lost, etc. The tobacco industry is HUGE and they are VERY powerful. THEN you have the pharmaceutical industry which is also VERY big and VERY powerful and both of them have lobbyists and industry giants that are owed LOTS of favors. They each want us using their products. We can stop smoking, but it better be using a lozenge, gum, patch, pill, etc. Both those industries contribute MILLIONS into local and national political campaigns. In IL last year, the senator, Terry Link, now retired, was the one who introduced the bill here to ban the sale of all e cig products. His biggest campaign contributions....from the pharma industry, which is a big industry in northern IL. You better believe THEY were the ones who were behind that. He OWED them, and when they say pay up, these reps and senators DO IT, or next time they are running they can kiss that money goodbye. So you basically have three entities all with motivation to stop this. Fortunately here the bill was reassigned to a "health committee" and when that happens the bill just basically dies in committee. Nothing has happened with it since then. It is not scheduled for anything at this time and hopefully it will just go away. HOWEVER if several states are successful with bans THAT gives a bill in another state a better chance of succeeding. However, look what happened in NJ like a year or so ago....the whole thing was overturned, of course in the meantime it is a pain in the butt getting anything. Of course you can just have a friend in another state order the stuff and then just send it to you....no law against your friend giving you a gift. Most of the bills don't have anything against possessing the products, just selling/buying them within the state or selling to a known resident of the state in which it is banned.
Anyway, I wouldn't call it really a conspiracy, that would imply there are things going on that are secret. This is happening in the open and it is very obvious what the motivation is...it is $$$$$$ like most other things. They all want their money. The only idiocy is what they publicly state as the motivation....this has NOTHING to do with safety/health. Any idiot knows that just removing the smoke aspect removes all the respiratory related illnesses right out the gate. After all, most ppl in a fire succumb to smoke inhalation first, before they are ever harmed by the fire. BUT even IF they were just as dangerous as cigarettes....what would be the problem? All the issues already stated.
But, if you want to go down a conspiracy road, I have often considered this.....we all know that most smoking cessation products don't work long term. Almost all people who quit start smoking again, using any of the cessation aids, even if it is several years later. So what if this is really about the fact that they DO know it is healthy? I mean, no one (other than ourselves) really wants us living to be 95 yrs old. That is a HUGE drain on the government in one form or another. Keeping us addicted to cigarettes is a win win....odds are we will get some kind of smoking related illness/disease that will shorten our lifespan...before retirement even better, thereby continuing to make the tobacco giants remain giants, the gov is collecting all their sin tax money, and the pharmas aren't left out.....they know we will most likely try quitting numerous times, like most of us who have been smoking for a long time have already done, so they make their money too. SO everyone wins IF we are all smoking....everyone but us that is. Just my thoughts/opinions.
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Has the world suddenly gone to hell? How much you wanna bet the FDA is behind this? I hate to come up with a conspiracy theory, but what if their getting support from these state and local governments so that they can go to the court of appeals and say "See, the american people want this gone.".
I don't know if anyone listened to the audio transcripts of what happened in King County, Washington, but it was rediculious. They gave people like the CASAA rep a chance to talk, but cut them off quickly, while letting those arguing against ecigs speak longer. Of course they all spouted off a bunch of nonsense, and referencing the FDA/Njoy case. What a farce!!! They seemed to have already made up their minds, and just held the public hearing as a formality.
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The two coils are wired in parallel. Each coil is 3.2ohms, so the combined resistance is half that of one, which makes it 1.6ohms