I gave this place one more shot since they came out with a ultra throat hit option but still no throat hit. this place is so cheap i couldn't resist but unless you like no throat hit at all this place is not for you. Ive tried every combo they have but still nothing you cant even tell you got any vapor till you exhale it out. The flavors taste great and tons of vapor production you just cant feel it. So now i have around 8 30 ml bottles of worthless eliquid.