beboe i have a DSE810 and to start a cart in the morning i put in about 25 drop's of 24mg, I got both of my parent's 510's my dad has quit smoking (which is amazing) and my mom is still on a learning curve. LOL @ getiing a pack bronzed, i have a full unopenned pack in my car and there is no way i could do that before with any other method of giving up smokes. Oh ya my Dad say's he get's a full day off one battery to (510) and he was a 40 a day smoker. Now i am going to go lay in bed with my wife and watch avatar and vape my head off , that's so crazy considering 3 day's ago i had to go outside and freeze my *** off lol