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    Hi All

    in New Vapers Forum

    Posted

    Ok so, Im not exactly New here I have been a memeber for around a year but havent logged in for awhile

    there have been so many changes, the forum looks great .

    Happy vaping

    Pg Germ Killing Vapor

    in Vaping Health & Safety

    Posted

    Since vaping I have read some rather informative articles about PG

    thought I would share a couple

    Far from posing a threat to our health, the propylene glycol in e-smoking liquids might help keep us healthy. It would accomplish that by its germicidal action. It kills many of the major bacteria that threaten lung entry into our bodies.

    Back in the late '30s, researchers at the University of Chicago stumbled on its effectiveness as a germ-killer, as related in this Time magazine story from Nov. 16, 1942:

    "A powerful preventive against pneumonia, influenza and other respiratory diseases may be promised by a brilliant series of experiments conducted during the last three years at the University of Chicago's Billings Hospital. Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson last week was making final tests with a new germicidal vapor — propylene glycol — to sterilize air. If the results so far obtained are confirmed, one of the age-old searches of man will finally achieve its goal...

    "...the researchers found that the propylene glycol itself was a potent germicide. One part of glycol in 2,000,000 parts of air would — within a few seconds — kill concentrations of air-suspended pneumococci, streptococci and other bacteria numbering millions to the cubic foot.

    "How did it work? Respiratory disease bacteria float about in tiny droplets of water breathed, sneezed and coughed from human beings. The germicidal glycol also floats in infinitesimally small particles. Calculations showed that if droplet had to hit droplet, it would take two to 200 hours for sterilization of sprayed air to take place. Since sterilization took place in seconds, Dr. Robertson concluded that the glycol droplets must give off gas molecules which dissolve in the water droplets and kill the germs within them.

    "Dr. Robertson placed groups of mice in a chamber and sprayed its air first with propylene glycol, then with influenza virus. All the mice lived. Then he sprayed the chamber with virus alone. All the mice died."

    The complete Time story can be read here: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...932876,00.html

    In a scientific summary of the discovery, it was noted that "Tests on possible deleterious effects of breathing propylene glycol containing atmospheres over long periods of time are being carried out."

    Those tests were done and a second summary report on propylene glycol vapor was released:

    "Propylene glycol is harmless to man when swallowed or injected into the veins. It is also harmless to mice who have breathed it for long periods. But medical science is cautious — there was still a remote chance that glycol might accumulate harmfully in the erect human lungs which, unlike those of mice, do not drain themselves. So last June Dr. Robertson began studying the effect of glycol vapor on monkeys imported from the University of Puerto Rico's School of Tropical Medicine. So far, after many months' exposure to the vapor, the monkeys are happy and fatter than ever. Dr. Robertson does not expect mankind to live, like his monkeys, continuously in an atmosphere of glycol vapor; but it should be most valuable in such crowded places as schools and theaters, where most respiratory diseases are picked up."

    The monkeys lived in enclosures filled with propylene glycol vapor. No deleterious effect was ever reported. And the concentrations of PG we inhale on a regular basis surely must equal the amount inhaled by the monkeys for this test. Obviously, no scientist saw a time when a device would atomize a PG mist that would then be inhaled for fun. But time and technology has given us the e-cig. We are constantly washing our lungs with a bacteriacidal agent used today in some "air sanitizers".

    Glycerine, by the way, has some germicidal impact, but not, apparently, to the degree provided by inhaling propylene glycol vapor. Glycerine is now used by dairy farmers to help prevent bacteria entering a cow's teats after milking. Glycerine both softens the teats and kills bacteria.

    One more quote on PG: "The vapour from as little as 0.5 mg of propylene glycol can kill nearly all the microorganisms in a liter of heavily contaminated air within 15 seconds."

    The initial experiments with PG vapor were part of a search to find ways to create clean rooms, so the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic that killed so many millions would never be repeated. Today, researchers have wondered online if PG vapor might not offer protection against a widely feared coming pandemic of bird flu, H5N1.

    Imagine e-smokers being healthier than non-smokers in such a scenario.

    more information here

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,932876,00.html

    Flavor

    in New Vapers Forum

    Posted

    WOW I dont have a problem with flavor out of my tank, Ive always found it tastes better with my tank that using my 510

    I found I get heaps more vapor and better throat hit with my 510 though

    Article In My Local Paper!

    in General Vape News

    Posted · Edited by BirdDog
    Staff Edit.

    A couple of things annoyed me in that article,

    The price of cartridges.

    and if the FDA wanted proof of it working as a cessation device they only have to find a forum like this one, surely that isnt that hard.

    chemicals being exhaled by us vapors being dangerous whats wrong with flavor water vapor and either food grade PG or food grade VG.

    Not to much worse than when you make a coffee in the morning and as the kettle/jug boils steam come out the top of it.

    Could I Do This? Will It Work?

    in New Vapers Forum

    Posted

    Ok so Im looking at buying a 1000mah ego tank battery

    and some Ego Lr mega atomizers.

    Now I no I cant use tanks on the LR mega atomizer,

    so Ill use 510 carts.

    Would that work without needing an adapter, and will it all fit together properly without it looking like it does when i put my tank atty on my 510 batt?

    I no that ego parts are usually inter changable

    ( currently Im vaping with a 650 mah tank batter with a 510 atty and a 510 cart)

    Non-Smokers, Now Vapers?

    in General Vaping Discussion

    Posted

    My grandmother gave up smoking about 6 months - a year ago some days she has a really bad day but doesn't want to smoke an analog

    since I have had my e cig she will have a puff of mine when I go to see her and I can tell she enjoys it

    normally I would discourage a non smoker to not vape

    I can pin point the exact time and date I started smoking three years ago

    I didn't start smoking from being a social smoker I started smoking after I had my son born 17 weeks early

    Drs told me he was going to die I was so stressed I picked up my mothers smokes and had a smoke

    I always smoked out side and with a jacket on always washed my hands after having a smoke

    have noticed since I have been using e cigs my son has been a lot healthier too.

    The reason why I say this is because non smokers don't wake up in the morning and say to day is the day I'm going to smoke.

    They don't do it because its cool, its usually because somethings happened to them or because all there friends do it and they are around tobacco smoke all day,

    or they have 1 or 2 smokes when drinking and gradually end up smoking more often.

    Therefore its only logical that a non smoker wont wake up in the morning and say todays the day I'm going to start vaping.

    I hope that all makes sense

    He Is Dead!

    in The Vape Lounge - Off Topic Chat

    Posted

    Is he really dead?

    call me a dumb stupid 21 year old but I thought he died on 13 december 2001

    and during the tora bora war

    and from kidney failure in a hospital and diabeties

    I think this is the 5th time I have heard the news report his death

    did he die this time or did he die ages ago? this thing has me so confused

    My Friend Vapes Too Much

    in General Vaping Discussion

    Posted

    hmmm your friend sounds like me this morning except despite me vaping through a whole 510 batt and now my 510 atty is on my tank batt I still feel like i need an analog

    Im vaping 24mg

    mabye she enjoys vaping

    mabye she vapes heaps when shes stressed mabye she feels as though she needs an analog but knows she cant

    or mabye she needs to go on a higher nic dosage

    Does Any One Else Find That...

    in General Vaping Discussion

    Posted

    so far I have brought

    10 crappy little pvs thought they were cheap but they didn't last long so ended up being expensive.

    I have 150 cartridges for the crappy e cigs didn't realise I could refill and that refilling them was cheaper so I kept buying new carts

    and have brought an endless amount of batteries and atomizers for the cheap e cigs none of which I use any more batteries used to last for an hour when it was charged got tired of constantly charging batteries and the atomizers kept getting really hot and cracking

    so recently I just brought 1 ego tank starter kit, a 510 starter kit,

    a passthrough and 10 x 10ml bottles of e liquid.

    mabye the first few months are expensive, I geuss its just the case of trial and error.

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