ECloudVapes
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First, you are correct that tone is nearly impossible to read over text. I never meant to sound condescending to anyone about anything. I was merely replying to what I perceive to be a bash against B&M stores by stereotyping all stores with those the poster had previously dealt with.
Did you know that stopping online sales hurts people who are well past legal age who cannot drive and who may not be able to physically get to a local shop?
It seems something I said has been mis-read, mis-quoted or something. NOWHERE have I ever posted that I support the ban of online sales or the ban of fruit flavors. I simply pointed out that such has been the topic of discussions between the FDA and the big e-cig companies. These big e-cig companies have been bashed on this forum time and time again for their efforts to work with the FDA. I'm sorry but I just don't get the bashing. I mean, look at it this way. The FDA IS coming. That is inevitable. So, why not get ahead of the game by working with them to help form their guidelines? I believe that by doing so we can ultimately lessen their intrusion.
In any event, we're done with this thread as our only goal to begin with was to educate people but, it seems that when you provide accurate, fact based information as opposed to opinions and guesses you are considered a "know it all". Personally, when I buy a product, especially something I will inhale, I would want to deal with someone who had some actual knowledge as opposed to someone's opinion. Opinions are often valuable in the right circumstance. But, not when dealing with health. All this, however, is JMO
PS @Berani.. I would invite you to watch the video I posted a link to in this thread. Afterwards, tell me which blending method you would prefer to put in your blood stream.. That's all it's all about.. A safer more healthy choice with some form of regulation to help prevent the crazies in this world from selling lethal products... :-)
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Calling bcarter a "used car salesman" was indeed condescending.
I actually mis-read his post about being running an auto dealership. I should have simply used the term car salesman or something similar. I do apologize for that mistake. Nevertheless, any offense taken is only the result of a stigma placed on actual used car salesmen, justified or not.
Nevertheless, it was not my intention to insult anyone. I simply wanted to point out facts so that newbies are not mis-informed. Let's face it, the future of the electronic cig industry is largely dependent upon public perception. Misinformation doesn't aide.
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I have only been vaping for a little over a month. I started with an ego T with a CE5... 2 weeks later I switched to the Vision Spinner and T3S. Thinking about an upgrade to some glass tanks and maybe a Tesla before too long...
Wow.... You're moving up fast. Good for you! Vape On friend!!
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After rereading my post I found nothing condescending. I simply provided rebuttal based on facts as opposed to guesses and/or speculation and/or opinion. You made comments about liquids/processes that are simply not factual and will ultimately mis-lead newbies. As a supplier, it is my job to make sure the information provided is accurate.
Have a nice day sir..
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Everyone, especially suppliers and vendors, are always going to market the products they carry to sound better, safer, better values than others. Some even use fear tactics and such to do so (surprised huh lol).
Ketchup/Mustard/Mayonnaise Botlles vs. Quality/Safe/Sanitary E-Liquid Manufacturing
Most of the brick and mortar owners and operators I have met personally are smug and try to market their products not on the merits of said product, but by bashing other products. As someone that has ran a successful auto dealer group for over 10 years I can tell you it is always going to work against you.
The foundation of successful marketing is premised upon explaining why people should buy your product as opposed to the competitions. Marketing 101. But, as a used car dealer I'm sure you are more than aware of that. Regardless, we didn't bash anyone. If we had, we would have mentioned the name of the B&M which we didn't. And, yes, they do sell online as well. Nor was there any attempt to do anything other than point out greed stricken individuals who care more about making money than they do about the health of their customers.
And to top it off, the liquids they carry that are certified by the group of liquid makers that formed the certification process taste disgusting and very chemically to me.
The fact that a particular company is AEMSA certified or affiliated with any other certification process has absolutely nothing to do with the taste of their liquid. To think otherwise is simply a lack of knowledge of how liquid is made. The basic ingredients of liquids are the same. Taste is the result of a recipe which the certification process has no regulation on other than the quality of pg/vg
There is a local Vaper group page on Facebook they post in and it is amazing how they think negativity sells their product. They are rallying for an online sales ban. There was just a story on our local news where a B&M owner said they do not carry flavors like Cotton Candy, Gummi Bear, and others that are "obviously intended to attract teens and kids". THIS FROM A SHOP OWNER! Unbelievable to me at least.
Actually, those actions may prove to be brilliant as some of the talks with the FDA have included the ban of online sales and such flavors that would necessarily attract minors. It sounds to me like the B&M guy you refer to is up on what's really going on behind the scenes. Things the average Joe doesn't become aware of until after the fact..
We don't live in a perfect world. We take risks all the time whether its buying products from big manufacturers and suppliers or your local farmer's market.
While technically your comment is correct, I see no need to take unnecessary chances like jumping off a bridge to test fate simply because life is filled with other risk.. With all due respect, that is just asinine.
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Baja Fresh or even subway all have open buffet style lines where they "build" or mix if you will your order and people are in and out all day long. How is that any less sanitary?
Are you genuinely serious with your analogy or are you just trolling? If I need to go into the details of the differences you probably shouldn't be mixing liquids either. Regardless, to put it in simple terms there is a HUGE difference between ingesting through intestines which have filtering as opposed to inhaling which goes directly to the blood stream. The lungs are, in fact, the fastest way to the blood stream aside from intravenous methods.
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My very first was a Blu that a friend bought for me at a convenient store to try to help me quit smoking. That was April 25th and I have not smoked another analog since.
Many people started with Blu or, at least, some form of disposable. What are you using now if I may ask?
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Of course we have no idea where they obtained the bottles so, we can't say whether they were rinsed out or whatever. We view that as a moot point, however, as DIY materials are cheap enough. See DIY accessories HERE from NicVape. Everything you need with nothing over $6.50...lol. In fact, you can purchase everything on the entire page for under $40.00. Even assuming the ketchup bottles were purchased clean and sanitized it just doesn't look very professional. If they're too cheap to provide their customers with a little satisfaction of professionalism and sanitation (even if it's only a visual thing) .. well, they have no business mixing liquids and selling them. This type of behavior gives credence to the arguments of e-cig opponents. While we support some form of regulation, it's this type of behavior that will justify an overreach by the FDA when regulations do come. And, yes, they are surely coming. It's all about how we, as an industry as a whole, present ourselves that will determine what kind of and how far the regulations will go...
Lastly, I think you overlooked the underlying issue. If we were able to see the equipment they used, that means they're mixing their liquids in the presence of customers. How sanitary is a workstation situated in a store front where customers are in and out of all day long? Again, it's that type of money hungry disregard that is destined to give the industry a bad reputation.
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But my go-to set up is the HH.357 atomizer in 2.0 ohm...
Thanks for sharing. I assume you got your HH.357 from AvidVaper. We had someone come in our store the other day with one. Just curious as to what advantages you perceive the HH.357 to have over others. I guess the reason I am asking is because of the price difference. The HH.357 is nearly double the price of other comparable atomizers. The price, in conjunction with mixed reviews, has me a little hesitant to carry them. Any feedback would be great.. Thanks again..
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The evolution from right to left
Very cool!! How do you like the Vision's?
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Custard's Last Stand by Nicoticket (my new favorite) 6 mg nic, 50/50 blend..yum!
We actually had someone come in and tell us about Custard's Last Stand yesterday. The guy just raved about it and said it was absolutely the best vape he'd ever had. Definitely something I'll have to try...
Thanks for sharing that..
PS.. After posting I happened to remember that the guy referred to above pulled up a pic on his cell of his collection of juice and mods... It really was funny as this guy almost had more on shelves in his bedroom than we have in our store front..lol..
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Hi everyone.. While sitting around shooting the BS today someone brought up the topic of high end mods. Next thing you know, we were all reminiscing about our first device. Mine was a standard e-go 650 w/ an optimized CE5 clearomizer. By optimized I mean a friend replaced the factory coil and wick with a flat wire coil (6 wraps) and 3mm silica wick.. I actually took a pair of finger nail clippers and notched out a few more air holes around the bottom of the clearomizer for better air flow.. I have to say.... that little 650 would put out some clouds. Or, at least that's what I thought at the time..lol.
So, join in and reminisce with us.. What was your first device? Did you do anything to try to soup-it-up?
Thanks!!
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So i tried the vape dudes mocha java and drizzle and maybe i shouldn't have gotten extra flavor is what i'm thinking because all i can taste is fake chocolate taste which to me is unpleasant.
That is something I have never really been able to understand. If you have to ask for "extra flavor" the liquid isn't worth having. It's a bad recipe or just a plain ole bad mix in my opinion. Lack of consistency in liquids is a huge problem with many vendors...
I am going to let it steep for another month or two and give it another try.
I hope it helps but, steeping usually only makes the flavors more intense. If you're tasting too much chocolate now it will only get worse over time. Of course, however, the amount of steeping that occurs is greatly affected by the ratio.....
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If I may add a little here, the pg/vg ratio really has little to do with whether or not the cinnamon is "too much". It's more about the amount of cinnamon flavoring used during mixing. It has been my experience that some companies are not using pharmaceutical grade pg/vg bases or the bases are sold as pharmaceutical grade but are really low end cheap products. As a result, they have to use more flavoring to achieve the cinnamon result which in turn is too much cinnamon. These effects can also be caused by vendors adding water to stretch their liquids (yes, many do) and/or from people mixing who have little to no training on how to properly mix. Lastly, just plain ole bad recipes will cause this also.
It is true that most any cinnamon blend, regardless of the manufacturer, as well as, citrus flavored liquids will ruin plastic tanks. We always recommend our customers use steel evod tanks when they purchase any of our citrus or cinnamon flavored liquids. We have never had an issue with the liquids and tips. Although, should that occur... I can only say that must be some strooong flavored juice.
Recently, while scoping out one of our local competitors, we discovered they were using empty ketchup bottles to mix...lol. Yeah, seriously.. What was the scariest about this is they have been selling quite a bit of liquid and their customers had NO idea.. Maybe it's just me but, I'm very particular about what liquids I vape. I didn't give up cigarettes just to have something equally or even more harmful put into my body. It seems that people in general simply assume what they are vaping was blended with safe ingredients under sanitary conditions. Big mistake!
VAPE ON!!
P.S. When purchasing liquids from a local store front ask them if you can see their mixing room. If they allow you to go inside the mixing area run out of the store! No legitimate e-liquid seller will allow anyone other than those assigned to the area to enter. I mean... how sanitary could it be if they allow their customers to enter?
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With all due respect, you just haven't tried a good cinnamon blend. Creating a good Cinnamon isn't the easiest mix. Also, if you use a plastic tank cinnamon, like citrus flavored liquids, it"s likely to shorten the life of the tank. :-)
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Glad you got your first rebuild to work. Most don't get it the first time around. What size wick did you use? I like the 3mm Silica myself wrapped in Kanthal flat wire with 6 wraps... Believe it or not, I have performed this on a CE5 pushed by a standard 650 and of course it wasn't the same as a Sentinel V3 clone sporting a IGO-W or a V12 but, the vape out performed several variable voltage devices. One of which was a Vision... :-)
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Ahead of CASAA's important meeting with the FDA next week, please would you take part in their vaping survey? It only takes a few minutes and will seriously help CASAA to paint the full picture of worldwide vaping.
Hi folks... We, the vaping community, are in a constant battle to keep our right to vape without huge taxes and overreaching government regulations. While we believe some form of regulation is both appropriate and necessary, we know how over intrusive the government can be.
Please take a few minutes to participate in the survey. Follow CASSA on facebook and support them in any way you can. After all, it is our rights they are fighting for..
Kind regards to all.
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Right now, I have the standard ego starter battery, but my sigeli zmax will be here on Wednesday. Depending on which flavor, I either vape 18 or 15 mg. The storefront that we buy our 618, the french vanilla, the milk chocolate, and cinnamon bun, at doesn't normally keep 16 or 14 mg in stock, so in addition to having to add the flavor boost on the 618, they would have to mix up the nicotine amount special, so we haven't dropped on that yet.
Since you are using what I believe is a fairly larger than normal amount of liquid, you may want to try uping the nic. The highest nic we carry is 24mg but, we stock all 120 flavors in 0mg, 8mg, 16mg and 24mg. Of course, however, the quality of the liquid (that means all ingredients), as well as, the pg/vg ratio play a significant role toward satisfying the nic craving.
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Yeah, I, myself, go through a lot on any given day - but that's keeping up with my habits on the analogs.
Just curious here... What type of device do you have and, what mg are you using?
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Troy like you I want to help those that are starting out. Help them save their own life like I feel like I have done with my own.
I can totally relate to wanting to help someone kick ash. In fact, although profit is certainly a driving factor, helping others do what I have done is a passion for me. However, having said that, I won't help them put chemicals into their bodies that are created under no regulation at all. Again, that's just me...
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Then I read the list and both Nicquid and Mountain Oak Vapors are on the list and they are two of the most perfumey chemical tasting liquids I have ever tried. There are a lot of beginners here and I think at this point there are very good suppliers that are not on the list and just wanted to interject that.
With all due respect, you seem to be confusing flavors with standards. AEMSA does not regulate flavors. Any vedor can create any type of flavor and still stay within the regulations provided the ingredients used meet certain standards. The fact that the ingredients meet certain standards doesn't mean a particular combination of ingredients will produce a good tasting liquid.
In short regulation is good, uniformity and standards are good, but its too early to make a blanket statement that being on this list equals good and not being on it equates to convicts and bathtub labs lol.
My statement using the term "convict' was used in the aspect of trust as opposed to companies who are not certified. It neither directly nor indirectly pointed to any suppliers. It addressed only the opinion of many who participate in forums. In other words, you cannot trust opinions unless those opinions are based on facts which, when dealing with opinions on e-cig forums, most often are based on little to no actual knowledge. In other words, they may "Oh this taste good.." or "that vapes like a champ" when the cold hard truth is while they may be correct about the taste and vape, they really have no clue about what is actually in the liquid...
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Dam that last post was pretty harsh. How did we get from non AEMSA certified suppliers to convicts and stereotyping forum members? It's a big leap to say the least.
All I am saying is for me, it's too early to limit my choices to those few founding members and preclude places like sweet-Vapes, VapeDudes, Fuzion, and other popular places that have established reputations. I do agree a mandatory certification, licensing, inspections etc... are all a must and are all forthcoming.
I certainly did not intend for my post to come across as harsh and apologize if it dd. Of course it is hard, if not impossible, to detect tone unless explitives, or other means of directness is used. I was attempting to only state a couple facts which I have discoverd over the years by participating in many forums and did not mean to stereotype. Most e-cig forum participants are young individuals who are into seeing large clouds exit their lungs and mouth. Point being, they will vape anything that produces those clouds. They then appear on the forums bragging about their liquid/hardware without thought of what is actually in the liquid. I took the part of your post referring to relying on reputation as if you took the word of those who participate in forums sharing their opinions on liquid. Perhaps I mis-understood what you actually meant. It does sometimes happen late in the day for me...
In no way am I to be understood as saying that all suppliers who are not certified in some way have bad liquid or mixing habits. All I'm saying is, I, personally, would rather trust my health to a supplier who is. Again, that is just me..
But really think about it.....how meant DIYers do we already know! How hard is it to put up a website? How long till they want to widen their margins and start adding crap or just don't get from the start, and think its fine just to add xyz to the mix cuz its it's cheaper.
BINGO! That's the whole point in a nutshell.
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On day that "research" could kill you, depending on where you bought that stuff.
You are absolutely correct. You would be better served placing your trust in a convict than some kid who just likes to produce clouds and frequents the forums bragging about the same. Most of them are vaping all for the wrong reasons. They wouldn't know a good liquid if it hit'em in the face....lol. They read a little article written by someone overseas on how to mix and suddenly they are chemist. Of course not all forum members fit that profile. But, many, if not most, do.
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Keep in mind that is 5ml between 2 people.
Oh.. Well then, that makes a big difference. Yeah, that's not bad at all.
A lot if people on here claim to vape 5-6ml per day alone. I do not see how it is possible.
I cannot imagine using that much liquid. Of course, however, a lot of it depends on the device. Many mod users use clones. Some of which are not all that swift in my opinion. In addition, many, if not most, of the e-go kits leak. Believe it or not, leakage accounts for a great deal of liquid. The best mods are made in the Philppines. The problem is finding a trustworthy vendor there. Fortunately for me, I have lots of friends there. While we do not as of yet carry their mods, it is in the works.
And please do not mistake my questions as sarcasm or intended to belittle the AEMSA at all. As someone who runs businesses in a very highly regulated environment I understand fully the need for standards and accountability to those standards. I read theirs earlier and agree fully with them. I just do not think it needs to be assumed those on that list are the only ones adhering to rigid standards with their production. As Troy said above, I am certain there are fees some do not want to pay. Being in the automotive industry there are literally dozens of rating agencies that will certify you for a fee and you can promote the certification. I am 100% all for requirements to meet standards for liquid production and that it needs to be uniform across the industry. I guess my bigger point is until there is uniformity with regards to standards and requirement under law to meet those standards being on or not being on this list means less to me than my own research and reputation amongst the vaping community.
Not at all did I perceive your post to contain sarcasm. I do understand your skeptism completely. And, to be completely honest, I'm sure there is a little greed that plays a part in those pushing for AEMSA. It will certainly drive those who are not out of business. Regardless, unless ,and until, something better comes along, it is the best and safest way to judge your liquid supplier. And, you are absolutely correct that no assumptions can and should be made based on a list. But, let's be completely honest here. Anytime we order liquid from any supplier we make an assumption. To say otherwise would necessarily state we have no regard for our health.. For me, and me only, I would rather place my assumption on someone AESMA certified as opposed to someone who is not. I have to admit, however, much of my confidence comes from the fact that I have personally visited my supplier who has a state-of-the-art lab. Not a room in the back of their store or a basement.
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All I can say is wow...