texassmokes

Wow. You are very defensive, VapeHappy. My comments about personal attacks was to warn others not to attack you on a personal level.

And I am done with this nonsense.

The next person who comments in this thread that's off topic and makes a negative comment that's personal to anyone...will get a warning.

OK, Just to clarify myself in case no one was reading, or got swept up in instant prejudice.

I attacked an idea. Its my opinion that adding a competitive component to chasing in the public arena is a bad idea. I may have illustrated that in a way that those that have a stake in the idea took offense too. I knew it was going to start a fire, but it was based on sound facts. If it is`nt discussed with all the facts put on the table, you can bet your best juice the other side is not listening to the facts.

If I personally singled out any single person for a personal attack, I`d like it quoted please? Just suggesting someone should listen is not a personal attack. Attacking an idea is discourse, nothing more. If you take it personally, I guess maybe I don`t know, out of my control really.

If i`m too sensitive, well, I`m not the only one. And my feelings will grow back. All feeling grow back. Feelings ar`nt facts.

But I do grow tired of swimming up stream, so I`m out of this discussion.

Well said Tam.

Differing personal opinions are always welcome, that's what makes interesting discussions.

Personal attacks, however, are not.

OK, So I had an opinion and I expressed it.

All the left is going to remember are two things, cloud blowing competition and accident.

You all can ma-line that all you want. You all can attack me for just stating the fact that something is dangerous to the point it could easily be used against the community`s freedoms.

Have a great Vape day.

Whoa... that's one way to alienate a segment of your demographic market as a premium supplier. I'm not cloud chaser nor participate in any competitions, but I respect everyone's vaping methodology, or how they spend and choices in their gear for that matter. Not sure if this post is an attempt to be edgy, entertaining, or expressing how you really feel about how others vape. If you are truly conveying concern about the possible ramifications on safety and how it may impact regulations, there are more objective ways in expressing them without prejudice. Organized competions or not, somewhere, someome, without the proper equipment and know-how will have an accident. At least with venues like these, you have experienced cloud chasers mentoring others new to the scene. And kudos to the organizer for temporarily shutting it down to hold a safety course. Maybe in the future, all events will hold one prior to the start of an event.

Okay, let's all play nice here. Don't make me stop the car. *stern look* This topic is a very good chance to impart some much needed safety issues concerning batteries. Let's not devolve this into an argument. We now return you to your regularly scheduled "POLITE DISCUSSION."

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Bebop, I agree that our ability to have the products we now enjoy took inovation and effort by ppl in the past. I can't thank them enough for the oportunity to enjoy what I can today.

Happy, I'm not saying that regulations here or abroad are in the best interest of ppl who want to vape. What I'm saying is that as a whole, vapers would likely not want to be judged based on their activisim. In other words, if you don't speek out or know the latest political actions you're a bad person/vaper. To catagorize ppl based on that is wrong IMO. Most are just trying to get by and reduce harm to themselves. I don't deny that supporting any organization that promotes our rights as vapers is a good thing!

Fishguy,

Yes, politeness goes along way in getting the message across. Please have a google at whats going on in the UK and vaping. Their government is really trying hard to get it banned across the board. Those people are scared, and with good reason. This could be coming to America.

If we let our comfortableness continue on to complete complacency, they WILL win the argument.

All is good, as long as Iv been able to elucidate the consequences in this matter.

:?)
R

I'm just gonna jump in here because its an interesting discussion anyway.....

Of note - it's usually the guys pushing the envelope in any endeavor that end up innovating the subject and bring better progress to the greater scene. It's true in just about any field. Much of what us casual vapers enjoy on a daily basis was spawned by guys sweating in the workshop looking for new and better... so I don't think it's completely healthy to squelch that kind of activity in general. There will always be idiots and we will suffer set backs from them for sure. Responsibility is still key and maybe our responsibility lies in continuing to inform those who will not be informed no matter, that tje benefits of vaping still far outweigh any destruction caused by the not-so-bright.

I think most of us that vape are casual in that choice, meaning we vape but don't keep track of every political impact across the country. This doesn't meen that we don't care. As with any cause, some are more active than others. I aslo believe we all want the same thing, to have the ability to vape and enjoy a less harmful way than analogs. For us, as a comunity of vapers to push and pull constantly against eachother is not going to help anyone IMO.

Joe, you make a good argument for freedom of expression, I get it. And I personally wont give up one once of liberty for added security, I get it. What I`m really trying to convey is that your argument will never hold any water whatsoever with the anti vaping establishment that has already formed around us. It may be different in Bama, Maybe you don`t pay attention to the rest of the union. But here in California, we are fighting for our rights with every once of reason we have. In New York, they want to ban all ecigs period. You would be breaking the law if found vaping in public. This aint my tin foil hat talking, this is the reality in New York. Try advertising a cloud comp in the city of NY, see how many do gooders you get to come out and shut you down. In Iowa, absolutely no ecig juices or anything ecig is allowed to be sold on line, I cant buy a damn thing from Iowa. Your can argue passion all want, but you cant argue the facts as they are right now. You have a good set of facts, almost no one blows themselves up. But every now and again, someone goes kaboom. You can argue with every once of passion that I am dead wrong, and every now and again, someone will prove me right.

I would be willing to bet the average vaper has absolutely no interest in these competitions, and can understand logic when its put fourth reasonably.

But let natural selection take its course, of course.
:?)

Joe, education is always good. Just remember that other members are going to read this in the future, and instead of education it could be more like entertainment.... Facts are the best way to educate, banter will likely not help the cause IMO.

yeah but it could be fun and educational tho hehehe

OK I'll try one more angle to try to get through that tin foil hat.
You do have a point,it's been shown in the past that mis-use of a product can cause restrictions
on that product.However just because you participate in something doesn't give you the right to
decide how everyone else gets to participate.That should be decided by a majority. Comps are not necessarily bad if there are reasonable safety rules
in place.There will ALWAYS be Darwin award candidates who push the limits and YOU will never change them.

Vaping is now seen as a revenue source by big corp and big gov so it's already going to be regulated and taxed
but even if it's banned there is enough info on this site alone for people who are determined to keep vaping
to do so.

And by the way,if you're treated like crap for doing something you shouldn't judge the actions of others who do it.
Maybe it's just your attitude about it since I and a lot of others have had good reactions from the public in
general and even the local police.

Ok, this is getting out of hand.

Umm, there`s an ointment for that bud. Try it.

Having read some of your other posts, Im going to suggest to you,
There is a point where you really should just "listen".

You want to compare apples to oranges go right ahead. Pssst, your comparing apples to oranges dude!

The sky is falling the sky is falling!
Oh and next let's ban laptops cause they use multiple stacked 18650's and some a$$hole is bound to overclock his CPU and send shrapnel out amongst all the innocent babies!!!


BAHAHAHAHA puhlease

WOW! Lots of butt hurt here.

Hi Comp,

Not singling you out, I`m sorry you came to that conclusion, a bit premature on your part maybe? But in all honesty, that is your prerogative. I really don`t know how you would take it personally, but that is beyond my control. I tend to abbreviate, that`s just me.

I am NOT JUDGING people, that`s your opinion only and I wont own that. I AM however JUDGING actions. You like Vaping in public places? Even in dedicated lounges? Well, every anti-vaper now has the power of the internet to prove to others why you should not have that freedom. To be able to tell you not to, to pass laws prohibiting you to do so, to even pass laws making the ownership of such devices completely ILLEGAL if they get enough dumbass`s to believe their argument. All in the name of public safety they`ll say. The internet never forgets, and now the radical self righteous know it all`s have the ability to pull this up and show it to all the "Unbelievers"! FOREVER!
You think we are the only people talking about this specific case?

Each and EVERY time this happens (and it can only happen more if this is encouraged), the anti vaping agenda will get a little more proof that they should be in control, you want that? A little more proof that anyone even having such a device on their person while in a public space is a serious danger to all the other nose led sheeple.

Realize that even with the bestest most fantastic gold plated clergy blessed battery, it can be inherently dangerous. And to encourage young adults who in some case`s may even be children to do this is counterproductive to the rest of us vapors. I am not against cloud chasing, we all like to see that big cloud, but to ENCOURAGE an inherent dangerous activity in a "competition" setting, just for "balls" sake, well, Iv made my argument.

Final comment. I`v personally been treated like a child beating scumbag because I chose to vape instead of smoke, encouraging this "competing" attitude will only ensure that I`m treated even worst.

I`ll stick by my logic.

And no harm no foal buddy, :?)

Best,
Randall

Ummmm You referring to me? A lot of people call me Comp here... BTW Yes I do CC from time to time so that makes me a Dumbass? I think it is lame to insult and Judge all for the stupidity of a few.

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"Though the explosion occurred during a cloud competition, the mod that blew up was not owned by any of the competitors in the contest."

"the rest of the evening was hushed and subdued as conversations focused on the importance of safety"

"(added 08/20/14) A NOTE FROM THE SHOW ORGANIZER: Please note that as a precaution; we, the event organizers decided to cancel the second cloud comp that was scheduled for Sunday. In light of what happened on Saturday, we used the time to have a battery safety class. It was very well received and I believe better attention was paid due to the events of Saturday evening. The entire rest of the day’s give aways focused on encouraging people to ditch bad/unsafe batteries. Many exhibitors stepped up with valuable prizes for surrendering bad batteries."
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Those that do this and ignore the safety precautions are not too bright, that I agree on. The ones that think this is toy for amusement are the ones that should think twice about those around them. This is why when new people come on the forum we emphasize safety! Most friends I have that do these competitions are extremely safety conscious. It is the few that don't do the home work and follow ohms law that blow their face off and can harm others around them.

I'm glad no one got hurt and hope this person learned a valuable lesson. Seems the people running the event were also doing the wise thing and teaching safety. Maybe what these events should have is a class in safety at every event, spot lighting things like this to show how dangerous it can be. Also add the old standby warning "This can be dangerous and should not be attempted without proper training."

You know, as a dedicated vapor that loves the hobby, I would encourage anyone and everyone to frown on cloud comps. Make then the bane of the vaping world. Oh ya, you cloud comp? What a dumbass! Lost any teeth lately?

They are simply childish. Its like handing out dynamite to children then telling them to have some sort of competition with it.
Its all very subjective anyways, and in no way does it improve the public opinion of the vaping community.

Especially when this happens, and it will always happen when you are trying to control a stick of potential dynamite.

Just saying is all, :?)

http://vapordigest.com/vape-show-attendees-remain-calm-despite-possible-tragedy/
Heres a link to an article about it. I couldn't find video. But I saw the after math it was about worse case scenario as far as mod failing hole in floor and ceiling.