cany

Dammmmmm

Used, or tried to, the same rationale when talking to a couple people I know.  Tried to talk them into at least trying vaping to get rid of all their coughing and hacking.  Might as well have been talking to a sack of hammers.  Some wise man once said ...... "you just cant fix stupid".  

Amen!!!   I'll say it again, Amen!!!
We've been vaping for over a decade and this so called crisis pops up.  Give me a break!  The first thing I tell people who question or condemn my vaping is that 2.5 years ago my BP was 142/80.  I had an inhaler.  I was in the beginning stages of COPD/emphysema.  I constantly wheezed.  All that is gone.  118/72, moving more air than I have for the last 20 years.  The next thing I ask them is if they don't think it is a little telling that this sickness just popped up in the last few months after better than a decade of vaping and note that the vast majority of cases have been traced back to adulterated e-juice and none traced back to a legitimate store.  
Just insane.  

Sad most people I deal with only believe the one side  trying to explain the other side too some is like talking too a wall

To add to the idiocy -- let's just ignore all the years people have been vaping before this "crisis" came up and we're all healthier than we've ever been... but don't let facts get in your way. SMH

I couldnt agree more

It is sad.  I don't think people want to believe how corrupt these agencies are.  I don't blame them.  I would love to believe these agencies were working to protect me.  A person has to go through something like this vaping "crisis" on a personal level to accept the corruption, deceit,  and deception these agencies propagate.  

Sad most people I deal with only believe the one side  trying to explain the other side too some is like talking too a wall

People believe they are way too busy and over stressed even though they can babble endlessly about Game of Thrones or Walking Dead and the like.  If they don't vape, they are not going to dig.  They will just parrot headlines.  We lost the biggest battle by not getting in front of this.  We knew it was coming.  Now the anties have got their agenda well published which is effectively the rules of engagement.  We got slapped with proving them wrong which is exactly opposite of rules of law.  It is their burden to prove their accusations are correct.  

The Independent published this article from a doctor. He is saying what we've known and is actually using common sense.
I'm an American doctor. Here's the truth about Juul, vaping and legalizing marijuana
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/juul-ban-flavors-vaping-marijuana-legalize-a9161971.html

Custard flavors were my ADV but lately Ive been playing with more tobbaccoy flavors Ive been cloning the juice that got me off cigs two yrs ago. Im happy I can finally  clone the juice that    started it all for me

I work with a girl who's SO became deathly ill "due to vaping". (When I questioned her, she admitted that it was black market THC her SO was vaping EXCLUSIVELY for a week, when she became ill and then CONTINUED TO VAPE THE STUFF!) Some of the other employees were blasting vaping on the spot because of this person's illness. So I posed the question, "ok, if vaping as a whole is responsible, why am I not ill or dead? I've been vaping for nearly 6 years." The room got totally silent. Then I explained, that I KNOW what's in my juice, because I make my own. What they NEED to be upset about is WHAT this person vaped and WHERE they got it, NOT with vaping as a whole. A few of the employees actually apologized, stating, if they had known that there was black market/tainted juice out there and that could have been the cause of the illness, they would have kept their mouths shut. I just reminded them there is  always more to every situation than just what you hear/see on the surface, get the facts before you blow off steam.

The latest CDC report
 
26 dead and 1200 ill.
but then they say only 75% confirmed THC. 
so, what, the other 25% are liars?......
of course, I'm being facetious, I have no doubt that some of the deaths may have involved vapers with pre-existing health issues and were nowhere near THC. 
but I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are fudged here.  I just watched a news interview with a couple who's college age daughter got I'll "by vaping" - 5 minutes of the girl's parents professing the innocence of their sweet little girl and when the interviewer pressed further, "oh well, there was that one time when we caught her vaping THC but we believe her that she is not doing it now"......right.....
I don't want it to seem like I have no sympathy for these people who are actually suffering from this.  I do.  It's a terrible tragedy. 
But the truth will set us free (get ti the bottom if this).  Is that too much to ask? 

A judge in NY issued a stay on the ban of flavored juices while an appeal brought by local companies is heard. We still have our flavored juices for now.

Best one too me is the one I mix

According to Google it says that an unopened bottle of VG that's stored somewhere dark and cool can last up to 5 years. Two years for PG in the same conditions.
 

Right now it depends on where you are
and, if this federal ban happens. 
 
but here's a snap shot of what is happening locally in Michigan...
 
 

You might be right because I feel like one right now😂😂

Jeeshhhh Tam I would of thought by now you would be making your own drip tips 😂🤣

Tam to the rescue!
 
cany and I were about to cut our throats......😂

From CBS news this time: 
E-cigarette panic is ruining "biggest public health opportunity" in 120 years, scientist says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaping-deaths-us-blowing-single-biggest-public-health-opportunity-in-120-years-as-debate-e-cigarettes-scientist/
Now, even though still pretty rare, we're starting to see another point of view other than, "OHMYGODVAPINGISGOINGTOKILLEVERYBODY!"  😄
As soon as payday rolls around I'll be stock piling my favorite juice. Lord knows I've got enough hardware to outlast a zombie apocalypse and I can build my own coils if needed. Not having enough drip tips will never be an issue, however. 

Good for you, Cany
there is a lot of bad chit out there. Right now.  I still have hope for The future 

Nice article, but my thoughts are it is a bit light on pointing fingers at what's/who's driving the vape persecution.  I smoked 50 years, was introduced to vape and vaped 4+ years till I quit everything about 2 years ago.  Even though I'm no longer an active participant in the vape community, this vilification of vapers/ing still has me pretty pissed.  I understand the anguish and hurt around the sickness and deaths, but a knee jerk reaction to ban everything is just plain wrong.  From everything I've read or heard, the culprit seems to be a new ingredient to the vape scene, a type of vitamin E.  Which brings the question ..... how to successfully ban just one ingredient.  Instead, the answer seems to just ban everything.  That should make tobacco and pharma happy.  Stupid!! 
If I were still vaping I would be stocking up on my fav flavors. Just in case. 

Why is it that all the articles that actually makes sense are found in the Washington Post?
https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/16/vaping-ban-would-be-hysteria-masquerading-prudence/

I try to stay away from Facebook.  It reminds me of how crazy my friends are. 😁