Christopher

If you really don't like it, you may send the bottles back and I'll let you choose something else from the store Just complete a support ticket by clicking the "support" link on the forum menu bar.

The FDA is a unconstitutional Agency of the Federal Government - no where in the constitution does it give authority for such a agency to exist! The duty's assigned to the FDA should, and ought to be, given to the states! That alone would save the federal government billions a year!

I like the butter idea but, once it hits the building it will probably mix with dirt and possibly paint chips from the building, that would make it a new unapproved drug.

All of our order usually ship within 12 hours and often times faster

I like the butter idea but, once it hits the building it will probably mix with dirt and possibly paint chips from the building, that would make it a new unapproved drug.

Great video! Fock the FDA. I say we ban them

More supplier need to add warnings agree. We require that certified suppliers at least require an 18 and up warning but other than that most suppliers don't add a warning. Our store contains the following and ALWAYS has since the site was opened




It's also part of our terms when a customer checks out. (All customers must agree to the terms) To top that off we also added warning on our bottles (VERY few suppliers have warnings on their bottles) It's time suppliers started to jump on the band wagon already. For their own protection at least.

I like the butter idea but, once it hits the building it will probably mix with dirt and possibly paint chips from the building, that would make it a new unapproved drug.

Please note that it is extremely important you are qualified to mix nicotine before purchasing such high nicotine strengths. For legal reasons I Would ask that ANY DIY post be kept only in the DIY section.

Suppliers selling such high strengths is part of the reason this industry needs regulation.

That may be the case but I have a feeling this is big tobacco. I mean what are the chances that Phillip Morris would be doing clinical trials ON THE SAME day that this comes out? Sure perhaps in a couple of years an approved electronic cigarette will be released, but I can tell you right now I'm not buying it from Phillip Morris.

I find it amazing that the FDA can approve loads of drugs that have been recalled, medical devices that are clearly dangerous & not recall medications they clearly should, yet when it comes to anything to do with natural medications (which used with knowledge of those products is FAR safer). the FDA seems to want to ban everything natural... Remember the vitamin raids in the late '80's? The tryptophan ban around 1988 b/c one single shipment from China was contaminated - no others were found to be contaminated, yet ALL of them were banned for a long time! The Ma Huang ban, which still exist, yet for those given corticosteroids with a bad reaction, this may be the only thing that can stop someone from developing life-long high BP, diabetes (insulin resistant), brain swelling, catabolism and many more devastating effects, yet they allow doctors to hand out these damaging injections & pills like they are candy, costing everyone - especially the victim of these drugs who can develop life-long disabilities, tons of money & heart ache.

If you google Medtronic lawsuit (re: their fault medical devices), you'll see tons of lawsuits filed, yet because those are "FDA approved medical devices", not one person who has had broken leads, been paralyzed, or in cases of death, their families cannot recover a single thing from the manufacturers because of a law passed by the Bush administration that exempts ANY "FDA-approved medical device" from recovery of ANY damages, and it's clear, these devices tanked in quality ever since that law was enacted.

The FDA needs to stop violating people's rights, they need to hold those medical device companies to standards & STOP infringing on people's rights to buy products that are natural (& some "not-so-natural"), including e-cigs, herbal liquids & other similar devices. This is like banning herbal remedies from the market, which have been proven time & time again to be safer than allopathic medicines prescribed or OTC for the same purposes!

The judge that stopped the FDA's seizure of e-cig products was right - the FDA over-stepped their boundaries!

So, I take a vitamin C... are they going to ban vitamins again or is my hand that puts it in my mouth going to be an FDA banned "drug delivery device" too?

I suppose we should just stop driving cars too, as they emit harmful hydrocarbons? Buses? HE** diesel fuel is even worse and we ALL have to breath those things! We have no escape & no choice!

Humidifiers? Guess those would have to go too... Breathing? Wait! If we breathe, we are taking in all sorts of harmful substances from smog, trees, etc.

Drinking water? I just read a study on chloramines & our water, regulated by the EPA, at the tap in municipal water systems is full of truly dangerous chloramines... Even wastewater engineers are concerned about it & eat shrimp? Not with the concentrations of Prozac in them from wastewater! THey can't get that stuff out of the water & the shrimp are full of it, and God only knows what else!

So, according to the FDA, it's not safe to breathe, drink or use municipal water (packing plants use this water too & there are even lawsuits going on about chloramines and their carcinogenic byproducts, including lead and copper it erodes from the pipes) contaminating food, even baby food), and not even safe to take a bath or shower, or eat seafood. Our beef & vegetables have also been contaminated and have made many people ill &s many have died, but that's OK by the FDA?

No one yet has proven to me a Big Mac is totally safe! (isn't that what that kid in Oregon ate & died?) And the lettuce & onion fiascos? The onions were destroyed by the grower, only tofind one of Taco Bell's supplier's warehouses was the source of contamination!

I have YET to hear of a single person becoming ill from use of an eCigarette, and with 20-30,000 people a DAY switching from smoking, or using 0 nic for those who just enjoy it & would rather not take up smoking or e-cigs with nicotine, the FDA should be thankful someone invented e-cigs!

Walmart & other stores carried pet food that was killing animals! Did they go after Walmart? Nope! They worked with the industry to find the source, which was a plant in Canada, did recalls like any sane response would be, had stores pull the deadly products and it was over!

Ecigs need to be treated like food! If a trend develops of people getting sick from a certain batch from a specific supplier, go to THAT supplier & recall the products, not the entire industry!

Would the FDA rather have us smoke cigarettes? Clearly not, or they wouldn't have spent the $Billions on making everyone paranoid about cigarettes & raised the taxes so darn high. They should have looked at the addition of carcinogenic chemicals to the cigarettes, not the tobacco itself! If ANYONE has EVER read a study on smoking that excluded cigarettes with chemical additives, PLEASE PM ME! I have yet to see a single one!

We eat foods every day that are mislabeled or are not labelled at all, so where is the FDA in those cases?

This FDA witch hunt of eCigs is just like the vitamin & supplement bans of the 1980's, which clearly stomp all over civil rights & my religious beliefs, as well as my health.

I've yet to see the FDA go after manufacturing companies who clearly pollute our air with toxins, the drug companies whose drugs were recently found in shrimp - yes! Prozac in shrimp! A full dose if you eat it for your evening portion of protein! I can only guess what higher food chain species are full of! Mercury certainly! Why haven't they gone after that source? That's been a serious problem affecting health for far more than 20 years!

It seems like the FDA's idea is we shouldn't have anything natural or naturally derived in our eCigs or in our food!

This is CLEARLY a civil rights issue, freedom of religion, and freedom of life & liberty... I guess those fighting cigarettes/tobacco & eCigs have never read the constitution!

The anti-supplement/anti-tobacco/ anti-eCig hysteria is foolish at best. I suppose htey'd have us all eating chemically-created food as well. Sounds like Soylent green isn't too far off.

A few quotes from Soylent Green, the 1973 Sci-Fi movie from imbd.com:

Det. Thorn: I know, Sol, you've told me a hundred times before. People were better, the world was better...
Sol: Ah, people were always lousy... But there was a world, once.
[Thorn chuckles]
Sol: I was there, I can prove it! When I was a kid, you could buy meat anywhere! Eggs they had, real butter! Not this... crap!
...
Sol: Why, in my day, you could buy meat anywhere! Eggs they had, real butter! Fresh lettuce in the stores.
Det. Thorn: I know, Sol, you told me before.
...
Det. Thorn: Would you believe bodyguards are buying strawberries for 150 D's a jar?

Yes, the FDA IS just that ridiculous! This is a slippery slope they are on!

That may be the case but I have a feeling this is big tobacco. I mean what are the chances that Phillip Morris would be doing clinical trials ON THE SAME day that this comes out? Sure perhaps in a couple of years an approved electronic cigarette will be released, but I can tell you right now I'm not buying it from Phillip Morris.

I just want to make it clear to everyone that I'm all for regulation and improved safety of electronic cigarettes (of course) My worry is about a ban or handing over the technology to the same people that have been killing us for years.

Judging by the articles here it sounds like the FDA may be changing their stance on things, but the lawsuit isn't over and my products are still getting seized at the boarder. So while they may appear to only be going after suppliers making false health claims and adding ED drugs into their liquid that isn't the case. We don't make any health claims in our store, in fact we where one of the FIRST American suppliers to add warning labels, yet monthly our products are taken by the FDA. Last time I checked my hardware didn't contain any E Liquid.

Let me see here....
this is how it will go down if the FDA has their way
first off the banning of E cigs....or at least ones that don't carry the FDA stamp of approval...that will cost the vendors oh who knows how much to get approval...several companies will fold.
Next they will go after the e-liquid producers....
we have to approve your manufacturing methods to make sure they meet our "strict" guidelines...
Many will go out of business because they DO fail their "tests" or they don't want to bother being watched over by big brother government.
So now we have a small handful of e cig manufacturers and a small handful of e liquid manufacturers.
e liquid from china will contain lead paint so it will be made illegal too.
NOW here it where it will get interesting.
RJ Reynolds and Phillip Morris will obtain patents on the e-cigs by paying the struggling businesses the right to get these patents and manufacture the e cigs.
Next the same two tobacco giants will enlist the aid of some of the biggest pharmaceutical companies to work with them to create a pharmaceutical grade liquid nicotine that can only be obtained at your local pharmacy and the nicotine in them is provided by....you guessed it....the two tobacco giants.
the FDA wins, the tobacco companies win, the pharmaceutical companies win.
and we lose

http://www.e-cig.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=19&cat=Healthcare+E-Liq

They have "healthcare liquid". I've seen the marketing videos from Johnson Creek. Their juice factory at least looks very impressive, clean rooms and all. I am sure the FDA will use what they find to springboard to more bans, it actually can prove their "unhealthy, unsafe and untested" claims.

I still believe there is no overt bribing. This is a push from legislators, via the FDA, backed by lobby money from tobacco and pharma, as well as a fear of dwindling tax revenues.

ok, time to get pissed.....
the FDA approves drugs for treatment of arthritis, erectile disfunction, high cholesterol etc..etc...ALL of those drugs that the FDA approved have side affects that have been documented, yet there are no reports of any of these kinds of side effects fro E-cigs, yet they want to target this industry?
Somewhere there is a check from Phillip Morris or RJ Reynolds written to the FDA....just gotta find out whose desk it's on.

Yes it does get quite hot over time and it's really not worth risking burning anything inside your cart.

Cartridges are pretty cheap and last quite some time. You'd be better of just buying new carts. Many members over the year or two have tried different things in carts and none seem to work that well. Remember direct dripping is also another great option

Hi,

This is a good video to show people like me(6 months ago) how ecigs work!! it's a rather long video so if you already know how they work don't waste you time! I guess this video it guides more towards new people or if you want to explain somebody what we use!!!

Truly if this goes to the point where there are some regulations then that is a good thing, it needs to be as mainstream as SMOKING cigarettes, this is beyond serious, ppl are dying from ANALOGS, I don't want the prices to go up, I don't want the businesses like Chris's to go out, but if there is money to be made people will find it.

Chris could be a great distrubtor for Wal-Mart.....hehehe I am just saying, it is not just about us, its about saving someone's mom, dad, sister, brother, child, no joke!

I personally hope it gets classified with tobacoo, I agree with Chris that it would be much better and if you really think about it, this is not a stop smoking device it is really a warm turkey device, slow and easy and moving down slowly but still smoking, this is the key difference. If you notice on patches, gum, lozenges they all say do not use this product while continuing to smoke, the Ecig has never even been thought of as not using with cigarettes, many people just use them to get nicotine and "smoke" where they can't smoke an analog.

I think I am rambling, but I hope you all kinda get my point.

Julie

Do you have any links? Maybe I should send Volcano and email and say hello I love it when we make it into articles.

Lily, create an account on the VT store and I'll send ya a bottle of Dulcis on the house

Lily, create an account on the VT store and I'll send ya a bottle of Dulcis on the house

Lily, create an account on the VT store and I'll send ya a bottle of Dulcis on the house

Now there's love for his community! You're a good man, Chris!

another thing you can do
i have two facebooks attached to two different emails.
so i was able to vote twice.

not that i am saying; "lets create a ton of fake email address", but it's not tied per ip address.