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[jeffb]

http://www.chicagotr...0,5272155.story

[Uma]

jeffb, on 25 January 2011 - 12:32 PM, said:

http://www.chicagotr...0,5272155.story

        

For crying out loud!  They're stalling until the Consumption Tax takes place.  
http://finance.yahoo...1861821180.html

[BirdDog]

The battle isn't over. Hopefully there will be a repeat of last year and stall out in the senate again.

[Uma]

Check out VocalTek's letter to Senator Kohl:  Post 151  

[DerStadtschutz]

This is friggin' ridiculous... Okay, so the main argument is "they're not proven to be safe," and "omfg, it might be a gateway to smoking for kids..." Oh really? Well here's how we solve that very very easily. 1. ban the sale to minors under the current tobacco product laws, or make a new law specifically for e-cigs that says minors can't buy them. How hard is that? 2. ban cigarettes. If there are no cigarettes being sold, then it doesn't matter if kids get hooked because they only way they can get their nicotine then is via e-cigs, which we all know damn well are many times safer, so who gives a crap? Anyway, why, after vaping first, would you decide you're gonna smoke cigarettes? Even if you are addicted to nicotine, e-cigs taste so much better and don't kill you or make you cough your lungs up every day.

These stupid public "health" officials... "omg, with e-cigs you can get your nicotine anywhere you can't smoke. that's not good for public health." My ***, it isn't. Nicotine, in and of itself is not all that bad for you. Even if it is, it's in cigarettes, among many other things, so what's their point? The nicotine itself isn't the problem. it's the tar, carbon monoxide, cyanide, formaldehyde, ammonia, arsenic, and god only knows what else is in those stupid things. This is so aggravating. They don't give a damn about public health. If they did, cigarettes wouldn't be here, period. I'm so sick and tired of hearing how people want them removed until they're proven 100% safe. WATER isn't 100% safe. NOTHING is. Too much water in your system will kill you. Too much of just about anything will kill you, so what exactly is the definition of 100% safe? While we're at it, why don't we just ban water? Damn morons... This country's government makes me sick.

[Uma]

all the vendors have to do to detour kids away from being interested in eCigs is to put Warning Alerts on their sites:  WARNING:  Ecigs MAY cause Bloating, ACNE, Farting, and other disgusting to a teenager symtoms.  There goes that flat belly, beautiful skin, and "close" friends ....

[Sharon]

I can't help but wonder if the government is just concerned because e cig's are taking away from all the tax money regular cig's generate.  And, how can they tax e-cigs and the liquid. Gotta love the government.

[Prouddad]

You gotta be kidding me ! They are unbelievable ! There are so many people out there that can agree with how the e cig help them stop smoking. Whats so frigging hard NO SALE'S     TO MINORS ! It's all got to do with money and thats what they are fighting for not the children. Once there is a tax on everything then the Government will be happy.     

[Christopher]

I agree it's all about the bank roll. I mean just look how high New York sales taxes on cigarettes are. It's insane. They have the highest Sin Tax on cigarettes in these United States.

[Prouddad]

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[Prouddad]

Prouddad, on 25 January 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

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[rcummings5886]

Prouddad, on 25 January 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

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This means I can't be shipped ecig stuff any more? :-( I'm screwed aren't I.

[Christopher]

We're not sure yet. Once the final bill pases we'll have to analyze it to find out whether or not e cigarettes can be shipped in from out of state.

Local supplier should also keep an eye on the bill as they could be slapped with a fine I would imagine should they continue to sell their products regardless of the law. (I'm sure some will)

[rcummings5886]

If I placed an order on the day of the ban or before the ban do you think it will be affected? Also, is there any way to work around with the name of my device like calling it a pv or eni? I mean are they banning just ciggarette type models or is this all inclusive.

[miatafrank]

All of the comments made by these idiots are completely as predicted, and is exactly as described in the interview with Dr. Michael Seigel. They are completely ignoring the science (or that the science even exists) and leaning heavily in the ideology that something that looks like smoke can't be a good thing.

If you didn't listen to the interview, do it now. You owe it to yourself to understand this insightful perspective.

[PsychoMaster]

I can  not even express in words how much these people anger me. It is quite obvious that any "research" some of them did, consisted of them sitting on their "butts" (see- I can even be more polite than most of the snakes) and saying to themselves, "Hey, this could cut funding I get from the Big Companies, I better stop this!" Greed is destroying America, but it is not the greed of the average American, but the people who decide how us Americans should live our lives for us.

[juliery]

Sharon, on 25 January 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

I can't help but wonder if the government is just concerned because e cig's are taking away from all the tax money regular cig's generate.  And, how can they tax e-cigs and the liquid. Gotta love the government.

Of course that is what it is about...partially.  It is also about the tobacco and pharmaceutical lobbyists pushing this.....tobacco is a HUGE industry.  Pharmaceutical company's have less of an interest since NRT products aren't a main component of their sales, but still e cigs potentially cut into it.  The bigger issue is the tobacco industry and the lost tax revenue from reduction in sales.  THIS is precisely the reason I didn't want to get into vaping...I KNEW this BS would happen.  I only hope it is stopped, that there is SOME voice of sanity in the process.  But these lawmakers couldn't care less about our health, that much is obvious.  The motivation is ALWAYS money.

[Ellynn99]

Marketed towards kids my @$$.  I'm sorry, but kids either smoke or they don't.  They find ways to get analogs no matter what, what about that?  Maybe they should focus more on that and them getting their hands on something that KILLS them and gets them hooked for life. (I was one of them stupidly at 16, but laws selling to minors weren't as strict then.)

Why take a good thing away from adults?  I'm sorry but this pisses me off.  It does all come money and greed!  They are losing 400 bucks a month from me and thousands from other countless ex smokers who choose to vape and it scares them.  Lets not pay attention to the fact that almost all people who vape are now feeling so much better and don't have a wheeze or morning cough. Stupid, just plain stupid to ban them.  

Lets ban Analogs then!  I would be all for that!  Thats a cause worth looking into.

[gmf1]

"I found what is in the e-cigarettes is a mystery." Rage!!! The ignorance and utter stupidity off that comment. Well why not ask someone who DOES KNOW!!! And as for the kids thing, didn't 99% of us start smoking under 18? Think I was 16ish. Even if 200 kids started vapeing instead of 100 smoking that's a win. And that's the worst possible outcome. This just does my head in, there is no logic, not one bit. Good luck to all the New Yorkers, may logic and reason one day win out in government.

[juliery]

Ellynn99, on 25 January 2011 - 11:07 PM, said:

Marketed towards kids my @$$.  I'm sorry, but kids either smoke or they don't.  They find ways to get analogs no matter what, what about that?  Maybe they should focus more on that and them getting their hands on something that KILLS them and gets them hooked for life. (I was one of them stupidly at 16, but laws selling to minors weren't as strict then.)

Why take a good thing away from adults?  I'm sorry but this pisses me off.  It does all come money and greed!  They are losing 400 bucks a month from me and thousands from other countless ex smokers who choose to vape and it scares them.  Lets not pay attention to the fact that almost all people who vape are now feeling so much better and don't have a wheeze or morning cough. Stupid, just plain stupid to ban them.  

Lets ban Analogs then!  I would be all for that!  Thats a cause worth looking into.

I don't think the government is the least interested in our long term health.  They do NOT want countless thousands of people living EVEN LONGER.  It is cheaper for us to die early, preferably before we collect any kind of social security (or whatever eventually replaces it), medicare, etc.  IF this has anything to do with health, how are cigarettes still being sold when they are KNOWN to be dangerous.  I think the point is we are ADULTS.  There should be stiff penalties for sales to kids and IF a kid swipes their parents credit card and purchases an e cig product online the PARENTS need to be held accountable...NOT the vendor. I too bought cigs as a teen...I either had older co workers buy them, OR we would buy them in restaurant vending machines which were always in the lobby with no one paying one bit of attention.  If a kid wants to smoke, drink, use drugs, e cigs or anything else they WILL find a way.  So you ban the e cigs and they will smoke, what does that solve?  But back to my original statement.  The government, the FDA, have proven time and again this has NOTHING to do with health.