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[juliery]

I was just looking around to see how inflated the "information" regarding e cigs has gotten as it affects this impending potential ban in NY.  Found some interesting articles that I think are well worth reading.

http://www.tobacco-f...e-cigarette-ban

From CBS....most interesting are the comments about the topic at the bottom.....

http://newyork.cbslo...new-york-state/

BRAND NEW article....

http://online.wsj.co...bce4651f15.html

Another new one....

http://www.startribu...yc:a_ncyD_MDCiU

From an ABC Syracuse affiliate....

http://www.9wsyr.com..._AeH-RFhvw.cspx


I am sure there are more, that AP article is pretty much on EVERY major city's newspaper sites.  THIS was the reason that initially I wasn't interested in vaping.  I kept telling my husband that I just knew that I would end up loving something that was totally unregulated and there are just so many HUGE industry interests that will push for bans.  I really hope it doesn't pass.  OR if it does that it is quickly overruled by a higher court.

[TroopX]

juliery, on 25 January 2011 - 12:50 AM, said:

I was just looking around to see how inflated the "information" regarding e cigs has gotten as it affects this impending potential ban in NY.  Found some interesting articles that I think are well worth reading.

http://www.tobacco-f...e-cigarette-ban

From CBS....most interesting are the comments about the topic at the bottom.....

http://newyork.cbslo...new-york-state/

BRAND NEW article....

http://online.wsj.co...bce4651f15.html

Another new one....

http://www.startribu...yc:a_ncyD_MDCiU

From an ABC Syracuse affiliate....

http://www.9wsyr.com..._AeH-RFhvw.cspx


I am sure there are more, that AP article is pretty much on EVERY major city's newspaper sites.  THIS was the reason that initially I wasn't interested in vaping.  I kept telling my husband that I just knew that I would end up loving something that was totally unregulated and there are just so many HUGE industry interests that will push for bans.  I really hope it doesn't pass.  OR if it does that it is quickly overruled by a higher court.

Let's get some more traffic here at VT. The more that visit, the more that will be informed. Maybe make a sticky out of the 'debate'? Comment on these stories from Julierys links and include the URL to VT in story comment. ...My two cents.

[easilyamused]

the first article once again goes back to "oh my gosh, this could entice children to smoke"
once again no actual facts regarding the supposed dangers of e-cigs and just look at who is sponsoring this:
American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, American Lung Association, Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, Americans for Nonsmokers’ Rights, and the Association for the Treatment of Tobacco Use and Dependence.

first off, the ACS doesnt give a rats *** about cancer prevention, this has been proven by their refusal to take any stand against known cancer causing agents in our food and personal products. They are deeply embedded with the big pharmaceuticals, especially the makers of the cancer drug tamofaxin... lets face it, they actually benefit from a rise in cancer, there is no money to be made in a cure, and certainly no money to be made in the future if they take a stand against cancer causing agents like cigarettes.

once again there is no "facts" listed about the harmful effects of vapeing, only concerns that it could entice children to use nicotine.

by the way, has anyone here actually looked up the health benefits of nicotine in treatment of medical conditions such as Parkinsons?

not that i personally believe that inhaling any substance is actually a good thing long term, but when weighed against the dangers of returning to analog cigarettes it is definitely a better alternative.

[easilyamused]

and yikes, the 3rd article says "Currently, children can buy the plastic devices, which contain nicotine, and they aren't covered by indoor smoking bans."  

seriousy, has anyone heard of any place that sells these to minors? can anyone prove that minors are buying these? and do minors have credit cards? am i missing something here? with as frustrating as it is for an adult to figure out the ins and outs of vapeing and the initial costs i cannot even imagine a kid buying these just for kicks

[TroopX]

easilyamused, on 25 January 2011 - 11:46 AM, said:

and yikes, the 3rd article says "Currently, children can buy the plastic devices, which contain nicotine, and they aren't covered by indoor smoking bans."  

seriousy, has anyone heard of any place that sells these to minors? can anyone prove that minors are buying these? and do minors have credit cards? am i missing something here? with as frustrating as it is for an adult to figure out the ins and outs of vapeing and the initial costs i cannot even imagine a kid buying these just for kicks

They sell a lot of the cheap e-cigs in mall kiosks, gas stations and other places I've heard. They also sell disposable ones for $10 or so.

[easilyamused]

TroopX, on 25 January 2011 - 12:10 PM, said:

They sell a lot of the cheap e-cigs in mall kiosks, gas stations and other places I've heard. They also sell disposable ones for $10 or so.

but wouldnt one still need to be 18 to buy one? and i have seen the disposables, i think they are a great way to introduce the concept of an e cig to people, but i know that in some places one cant even buy a lighter or matches without showing ID, i cant imagine that anyone would be selling these to minors, and that seems to be the entire basis for the4 arguments on all the e-cig ban articles

[juliery]

Hell until a couple years ago I used to get carded when buying cigarettes....they are SO strict with not selling to minors here.  PLUS I don't know about the rest of you but I HAVE talked to teenagers and kids, being as I have 2 teens and a tween and they don't know ANYONE who would use an e cig.  It isn't considered "cool".....part of what attracts kids to wanting to smoke is the element of DANGER and that it is BAD and it is something WE DON"T want them doing.  They don't think about death or having diseases down the road in some distant future.  The whole thing is stupid and NONE of this has ANYTHING to do with any part of the government being concerned  about health.

Yes, I have read the studies regarding nicotine's use in Parkinson's and Alzheimer's....it is very promising.   There is also evidence it helps with other neuro conditions which is being further researched....of course you don't hear the FDA mentioning those things.  Only the crap that supports what they are trying to do.

[VikaMaya]

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[juliery]

VikaMaya, on 26 January 2011 - 11:12 PM, said:

Wow thanks for posting such great links in order to gain the most with use electric cigarettes....... well done

Thanks, that was really nice for you to say....I love researching and finding out whatever i can....I found some REALLY great stuff tonight.....blew my mind.  About both the power the tobacco industry has over our government and the worldwide influence they have and also the leverage the pharmaceutical industry has over government.  The more I am learning the more I GET what is going on.  It has really nothing to do with the lawmakers not knowing the facts, or that they are just fools.......these industries control the government, not the other way around.  It is truly disgusting, never mind really disturbing.  I just googled different things like "tobacco industry influence US government" and I really started feeling sick reading the stuff.....and also the same only pharmaceutical industry.  I warn you,....this is disturbing stuff.....

http://www.wanttokno...utdrugcompanies

http://www.sourcewat...ions_strategies

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2267871/

http://books.google.... policy&f=false


I know it is really a lot of reading, but you can bookmark it and save it for later...It really gives you a clear picture of what this is all about....and then add in the lost tax revenue, but really that is not the REAL power behind these attempted bans of the e cig.....it is mostly big tobacco...they will do ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING they have to  in order to stop this....THEY are the major driving force.  It is REALLY disgusting and disturbing what they have done through the decades, the behind the scenes stuff.  And how they have SO much influence over the laws and government, because they are so huge and so powerful.  How ANY government that is supposedly for and by the people has allowed this to happen, I have no idea.  But that is I guess a natural result of greed and the quest for power....you end up owing people...very powerful people.

[DerStadtschutz]

So as it turns out, Kevin Trudeau isn't really such a nutcase with his "conspiracy theories" about the pharmaceutical industry...

[juliery]

DerStadtschutz, on 27 January 2011 - 10:02 AM, said:

So as it turns out, Kevin Trudeau isn't really such a nutcase with his "conspiracy theories" about the pharmaceutical industry...

The problem with him is that rather than informing people out of the kindness of his heart he is using the info that you can truly find out on your own and using it to make money for himself.  There is no need to lie about the pharmceutical industry....or tobacco industry, the truth is bad enough.

[DerStadtschutz]

Yes, he is using the information to make money, but lots of people do that, and regardless, he's not lying. He's not a nutcase like people tried to make him out to be. I've been listening to this kind of crap for years and years, and it only seems to be catching on now. Also, while he doesn't just come out and share all the health secrets, what he DOES is give very good recommendations for staying healthy in the first place, and that's far more important than waiting til you get some disease and then trying to cure it, in my opinion. It's also more information the government/pharmaceutical industry would rather us not know because as stated before, there's no money to be made off of healthy people, at least not for the pharmaceutical industry. They gotta sell all that nyquil and robitussin.

Edited by DerStadtschutz, 28 January 2011 - 05:15 PM.

[juliery]

DerStadtschutz, on 28 January 2011 - 05:07 PM, said:

Yes, he is using the information to make money, but lots of people do that, and regardless, he's not lying. He's not a nutcase like people tried to make him out to be. I've been listening to this kind of crap for years and years, and it only seems to be catching on now. Also, while he doesn't just come out and share all the health secrets, what he DOES is give very good recommendations for staying healthy in the first place, and that's far more important than waiting til you get some disease and then trying to cure it, in my opinion. It's also more information the government/pharmaceutical industry would rather us not know because as stated before, there's no money to be made off of healthy people, at least not for the pharmaceutical industry. They gotta sell all that nyquil and robitussin.

Oh, I totally agree with you.  He is NOT lying....IF he was lying you would know it.  Plus almost EVERYTHING he says is backed up by readily available info.  It is just that he does the digging.  Now SOMETIMES the sources are a tad questionable, HOWEVER that doesn't mean they are lies.  I think he is actually a very informed and smart guy.  He is not a nutcase.  You always have to consider who calls him a nutcase, half the time it is someone who has an interest in doing so.  Obviously when he is writing against pharmaceutical companies, THEY will say he is a nutcase, or the FDA, they will say it too......but seriously, let's review the drugs the FDA has approved and later we find out that they cause serious birth defects, all kinds of illnesses even worse than the ones the meds were supposed to be treating, etc.  Anyway, I haven't checked every piece of info he has ever put out there, BUT what I have seen is all supported by his sources, which he clearly states.  He doesn't just use random quotes without saying where they come from.  THAT is HUGELY important.  And hey, he makes money because most people don't want to do the legwork themselves.  But if you aren't willing, or don't have the time to find the info yourself, then his books are are certainly a better source of info than not getting it at all.  AND you have to ask yourself, WHAT would be HIS incentive to lie???  He isn't funded by the tobacco industry, or any other industry that I am aware of.......they can't just MAKE him say what they want him to say.